I said it earlier in another thread and I'll say it again here. There is no way we can possibly do as well this year as we did last because of the number of picks (7 vs 10) and the picking order (25 vs 4 in each round). We can hope to get 1 or 2 decent players at best.
Well, the thread title indicates what you think was the main thrust of your argument, so you can't be surprised that most people responded to that angle. The Pats having 10 picks doesn't mean anything until we see who they pick, and all this 'Mangini-type guy' stuff is getting out of hand. He will avoid malcontents and others with character issues - other than that he'll push for the best athletes that can help the team. He's not going to draft a 5-8 defensive end just because he helps his landlady take out her rubbish. And finally, last year's draft was superb - demanding that every player makes an imact, when most draftees are out of the league in a few seasons, is just silly, really. If every draftee became an impact player they'd have to cancel the next year's draft because there wouldn't be any roster spaces available.
I do have a problem with that Mangini-guy thing myself. They have flat out said numerous times that their number 1 parameter in deciding whether or not to take someone is character. To me that shows they have no faith in their own abilities to turn someone around. I certainly wouldn't want them to draft another Pacman Jones but I think there are plenty of people who have had some trouble in their past that the Jets would pass on for that reason alone.
I was thinking more of Randy Moss. If Oakland were to draft Johnson instead of Russell he could probably be taken for a 3rd or 4th round pick (if they had one). He and Pennington are still good friends. They were roommates in college and Moss still considers Pennington to be the best QB he ever played with. Despite all that there is no way in hell the Jets would try to get him because of his past baggage. Yet NE would take him in a second so this character thing isn't something Mangini picked up from Bellichek.
How do you know that New England would take him in a second? The guy is a headcase, how many of those have they pursued? How many players that quit on their team multiple times?
Corey Dillion and they turned him around. They also had interest in Moss this off season when it looked like he was available. "The Patriots haven’t acquired WR Randy Moss from the Raiders yet, but they did bolster their WR corps by trading for Miami’s Wes Welker. Dont? Stallworth will visit the Patriots on Tuesday." Just google "patriots interested in moss", there are a million articles on it (actually 181,000).
good point, but I think that the character aspect comes from the Patriots culture. Hard-working, clean, not too flashy, determined players who care about only football. On the other hand, the Jets are looking into Tanard Jackson, who got stabbed trying to break up a fight, which IMO actually strengthens your character. Mangini may pass on a talented player because he is an issue, but I think he may take someone who he thinks the CS can mold.
+1 Good point I mean who knows? With a year under there belt Tangini might just put together another great draft. But to only think that last years draft was 'ok' is pretty ridiculous. Objectively speaking, it's pretty clear we had one of the best drafts last year, to call it ok just means you have unrealistic expectations towards the draft. And for god sake's man, before last year do you remember how our drafts went in general. Jets fans have nothing to complain about considering how we were before the Tangini era...
Corey Dillon had one off year and it was 2003 when he suffered from a groin injury for most of the season. He was vocal about his discontent but that does not equal a headcase. Randy Moss quits whenever it suits him, he did it in Minnesota and again in Oakland. Two different teams. Somehow I don't see Bill Belichick signing a guy that almost ran a cop over and was dumb enough to admit on the record to a reporter that he uses a controlled substance. In Dillon's case, they didn't need to 'turn him around', all they needed to do was not be a completely inept organization with no chance at a championship. BTW, if any team can feed reporters a line of BS, it's the Pats.
Last years draft was a good draft for the Jets based on a history of bad drafting. To call it a great draft at this point is absurd. Out of our three early picks we have 1 player right now who looks like a stud Mangold. D'Brick could turn into something special, he isn't right now. Clemens is a complete unknown at this point. You also have to consider what happens to the players we passed on. If Cutler or Leinart turn into stud elite QB's this draft is going to look a lot like taking OBrien instead of Marino. You have to like what we did on the second day of the draft last year no question that was outstanding.
Come on! The Jets had one of the better drafts in many years in '06. Plus, look at the mess left behind by Herm. You simply can't ask somebody to do better given what Mangini was handed. Let's review: 1 4(4) D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia 1 29(29) Nick Mangold C Ohio State 2 17(49) Kellen Clemens QB Oregon 3 12(76) Anthony Schlegel ILB Ohio State 3 33(97) Eric Smith S Michigan State 4 6(103) Brad Smith QB Missouri 4 20(117) Leon Washington RB Florida State 5 17(150) Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin 6 20(189) Drew Coleman CB TCU 7 12(220) Titus Adams DT Nebraska We agree D'Brick and Mangold worked out very well and they will continue to get better. Kellen Clemens is the present future at QB. He seems like he has a very good arm. The Jets are bringing him along as they should; slowly. He hasn't shown much in the way of star potential yet, but he has not had his opportunity. Give it time. Don't take the cake out of the oven until it is done baking. Schlegel: I know on paper he seems to have busted a bit. I think this guy wants to play bad. He was a rookie last year. He made a few mistakes, but I see a worker. I look for him to have a break out year or at least a much better year this year. I still think this pick will pan out. Eric Smith: Again, still needs to gel. I will agree that he did not pan out at third round potential, but again, I still think he can improove. What ever we may have lost in the third round (jury still out on this), we more than recouped it in the 4th round. Brad Smith and Leon Washington turned out to be great. Leon is a very solid complimentary back and Brad Smith is about as versatile as it gets. I still think the Jets have not used Brad Smith to his full potential (at least he won't be riding the pine because Herm is gone). I think he could be a very good #3 receiver. I really do not just want to see him used for gimmick plays. I won't go into our 5th, 6th and 7th round picks. But seriously, when you review our draft last year, you really can't ask a team and staff to do much better than they did. I think this year is a much more challenging draft. Where we fall in the pecking order, it is easy to make an error. I think our staff will have done their homework and I anticipate that this year, we will pick up a few guys that can really come in and contribute. I have total faith in where we are as a team and where we are pointed to.
Leinart and Cutler went 10 and 11. If you are saying we should have taken one of them at #4 then that too is absurd. First it would mean that we were ready to move Pennington out and secondly it would mean that we were willing to spend a high draft pick on someone nobody else in the league thought worth it. Maybe we would have taken Cutler with our second first round pick if Denver didn't trade up to get ahead of us. I personally think we would have. Then used our first pick in the second to take Mangold who I think would have still been there at that point.
your writing it off as a bad draft after one season? great analysis, im sure NFL coaches live by the mighty scout.com player rankings :rofl:
Looking back its easy to critisize , if Mangini could do it agian im pretty sure our draft would change a little bit.We probabbly would not have chosen Clemens cause McNeil was still on the board even with the trade we made.So Cutler would be chosen at #4 In the 3rd i still see us picking Smith cause he played good but Schegal would not have been selected.Maybe someone like Gabe Watson a NT that was later picked in the 4th. In the 4th nothing would be chanded Washington and Smith were great. In the 5th we chose Jason Posiak but he was on the ir and knowing what we know now Mark Anderson would be the pick obviously. And in the sixth since need a backup Qb we select Bruce Gradkowski. In the 7th we pick Marques Colston And there probably the best draft ever
Show me the Giants draft picks or say Miami's draft picks in 2006 and lets see how many guys made major contributions from that class. The Jets had like 6 or 7 guys who got prime time playing time and made an immediate impact. 2006 was an excellent draft for Mike and Eric.
Maybe we could have traded down and picked up another 2. Second at the time of the draft we didn't know if Pennington was even viable to play. The deal we signed Pennington to was designed to be a low risk deal with a big bonus at the begining of 08 which could be avioded by cutting him prior to the 08 season. It made perfect sense to draft a QB to replace him last year. If Cutler turns out to be a stud and we could have moved down and picked up another first day pick and still gotten him, it will make this draft look even worse.
I was all for moving down too. I am this year as well. Anything to get more picks and I think Cutler will be a stud. At least in Denver. Not sure he would be here. Denver will bring in all the tools he needs to make him successful. That said I remember reading a number of articles at the end of the year where the Jets 06 draft was rated third best in the league. I believe NO and the Titans may have been the two teams above them but I'm not sure.
