Jets rebuild is ahead of schedule...

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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    And I stand by mine.

    I saw more ground balls get swallowed up by the second baseman in short right than go through the left side for a base hit. Also if a pull hitter tries to slap it the other way, he'll never hit a home run.

    The goal isn't to get perceived control, it's to win. If you're given a strategy that helps you win, you'd be mad not to follow it even if a statistician came up with it.
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Who would've thought that Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill were the brains behind cracking the baseball analytics code, huh?
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    But that's just not true. How many balls did McCann hit the other way? The only time the shift doesn't work is when dead pull hitters hit nubs off the end of the bat. Rarely do hitters beat the shift. It's hurt a lot of careers.

    I watch the Yankees every night I can for many many years. And it destroyed McCann & Texieria when they were here. It's turned .300 hitters into .240 hitters in a hurry.
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure the bit about no more 5 year rebuilds is true any more. Even if it is, I want no part of Cousins or McCown. I'd rather they fold the franchise than sign another JAG or another older vet.
     
  5. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Lol are you alluding to DePodesta being part of the A's and Browns? Yeah I thought he was better than this too.
     
  6. HomeoftheJets

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    Cousins is 29 years old and legitimately good. His problem is the Redskins are an incompetent team that would go 4-12 without him.
     
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    First, I'm not discounting all metrics - just saying they're relied upon too heavily.

    Second, really good hitters - which I don't label McCann and Tex - WILL adjust.

    Third, if metrics were as "foolproof" as you and HOJ seem to imply, the team with the best analysts, not the best players, would win. Numbers can only tell you what happened in the best to allow you to TRY to predict the future, but that's impossible, so you have to accept a certain level of bad predictions. But no matter how good your predictions are, it still boil down to players/coaches exceeding, or not meeting, your predictions.
     
  8. HomeoftheJets

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    Never said metrics were foolproof. As the Browns are showing, metrics are very much susceptible to fools. Analysts and players aren't independent of each other because part of an analyst's job is to recommend players. So teams with better analysts also tend to have better players. And of course numbers can only tell you what happened in the past. The same limitation applies to scouting; a scout can only watch past performances and tell you what he thinks the player will become. Sometimes the analysts get it wrong, and sometimes the scouts get it wrong. You get the best results with a group of good analysts and a group of good scouts working together. Any other setup, whether it includes no analysts, no scouts, bad analysts, or bad scouts, will cost you wins.
     
  9. Zach

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    1. I'd like to think that, this team is a few solid pieces away still. That includes some key cog positions like NT, OLB - and of course, QB.

    2. As a whole, this is a very young team. Young, and hungry, but sadly, short on experience. They have the fight, but they don't have the savvy to run the table when given the chance. The result is - choking on 2 possession lead. There is no royal road in getting these things, so let it be a growing experience for the team. [This includes the high number of penalties committed.]

    3. I did mention the sore spot of NT and OLB above because these are one of the few spots where unit cohesion just can't make do. Other than that - I like what I see from the overall team. They fight hard for each other. If anything, that's the key building block moving forward.

    4. But do I think Todd Bowles is the right man for either the rebuild, [or - heaven forbid - competition]? I have to say FUCK NO. I did mention the penalty issues up there as maybe the inexperience issue, but the HC must be responsible for the number of flags thrown at the team. Overall, this team is not playing disciplined football. High on enthusiasm, but lacking on discipline. Now add that the team still lacks the grit, and there you have 14-point choke like you have seen for two weeks in a row. That is on the head coach, period. [I am not even going to go into the clock management or overall game management.]

    5. Maybe this Jets team have more talent on the offensive side than we were led to believe. [Jesus - Chan Failey was an epic disaster after all. I mean, Johnny Morton can't possibly be the second coming of Bill Walsh, right? I am not even saying this offense is good.] That said, maybe it is a protection issue, but I don't see double moves from the WRs. [I am talking about you, Robby Anderson.] Maybe this will be addressed when the protection becomes more solid in the future.

    6. As for the QBs: I would like to see what Petty and Hackenberg can do under Morton before I move on from them.
     
  10. BudJet

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    I agree with paying a qb that is a plug & play ready from day one qb. Cousins wants 30mil, that's a lot but it would save the jets from a year or two of grooming a qb Draft pick. And it will let us use our #1 Draft pick elsewhere. And 30mil won't be that bad in 4 to 5 years.
    I say pay him and he will give this team a boost from day one.

    I would like Jimmy garapolo , he's ready to go, he's younger, and he's cheaper. But I don't think he will be avaliable. I believe he will be franchised, even though pats will have to pay two qb over 20mil or they could sign him to a more cap friendly contract.

    As far as drafting a qb just stay away from Sam. Even though he will probably stay in school.
     
  11. JetBlue

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    Remember last year when we were excited to have Fitz hold the fort because he had a career year in a career of losing.

    Yeah, let’s make that same mistake with Josh McCown.

    Holy shit.
     
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  12. Zach

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    Right. Whether Petty and/or Hack is ready or not, Jets must roll with the kids next year.
     
  13. Jetsfansince95

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    The best post I've read on this site in 5 years
     
  14. pdxdrew

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    The defense has some talent. Lee is looking better even if he is still getting blown in coverage but the improvement is there. Along with Williams, Adams, Maye, Jenkins, it seems like Macc is making some progress. The offense.... meh, McGuire and ASJ have been nice suprises but the OL? Well it ain't the 93 Cowboys. Anderson will be off the team once they get better options. Outside of being a deep threat he does nothing. Whatever happens to Bowles though, they need to retain Morton. He's the best OC we've had in years.
     
  15. Patriot

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    From what I have seen over the years picking a QB is a crapshoot. Even Parcells can't pick them, he thought Brisett was another Curtis Martin.

    The Jets should draft two QBs, thats how the Redskins ended up with and Griffin III (#2 pick overall) and Cousins (4th round). The fact that Cousins worked out shows the unpredictable nature of selecting a QB.

    If Petty and Hackenburg can't beat out McCown, the Jets should let them go.

    Jimmy G would not be a bad option, but if he is allowed to go into free agency, the market of teams wanting a QB will drive his price up.

    I think in the long run drafting a QB can save the Jets some money which they can use to improve other areas of the team.

    Since drafting a QB is a crapshoot, here is my pick, Chase Litton of Marshall. I know what you are thinking who? But assuming he can gain some weight eating the fine foods of New York, this 2nd to 4th round draft pick could be your next gem in the rough. He is got a good arm, good pocket presence, good size, and does not throw to many interceptions. The last trait being the most important considering he doesn't play with the most talented players. I would like to see him quicken his release even more, but as a low draft prospect you can't be to picky.
     
  16. Rivers23

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    I'll raise this point again: is Bates a good QB coach? I really don't know, he worked with Morton before, he was the OC for the Seahawks, he was with the team previously. He's been here for 8 months, I'd like to see how Petty and Hack are doing under him. I'm not sure Bowles is helping in that regard, he's defensive minded, I guess he's just happy to put in a vet who doesn't need too much work. But regardless of Bowles, I'm somewhat surprised that the leadership of the team isn't insisting on young guys, they need to be thinking long term, they can't expect Bowles to do it.
     
  17. Zach

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    I'm looking at Litton highlights - and the first thing that catches my eyes is his delivery. Not quite over the top, but close to three quarter. He is listed as 6'6, but he doesn't play as tall as his height indicates because of it. That's the only thing I don't like about him. Other than that, he looks pretty solid in terms of mechanics. He holds the ball high with two hands, and yes, his footwork is not a mess that Hackenberg's footwork is. That alone is a plus already.
     
  18. Patriot

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  19. NYJetsO12

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    Yes that would be WAY too smart for him

    We need to tank willingly or unwillingly
     
  20. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    1st option draft a good QB

    2nd Keep drafting QBs every year till you hit pay dirt

    3 Get Garappolo for cheap

    NO to Cousins and older vets
     

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