I'm questioning whether you even have season tickets after posting...Ha now the psls will go up. If one follows your posts over the years you seem to contradict yourself alot.
I told you I hold 12 seats but what does that have to do with anything concerning CP or JV or any other NYJ player or HC or GM or owner?
You also said today that you pay to watch the games on DirecTV. Do the people who sit behind you at the games complain about your large satellite blocking their view?
See, you're spinning it to try and make it seem like I'm not following the rules because I'm not talking about Pennington or Vilma. 'Cept this thread isn't about Pennington or Vilma. It's about Stadiums...which have seats...which I don't believe you have after reacting gleefully to the fact that some financial issue associated with the team may hurt the good fans to the New York Jets in the wallet.
Unless you have proof that I do not have season tix & are willing to post that proof then your allegation is just plain old BS
Two way street. Unless you can prove that you do have them I don't have to believe that you do. After all, as usual it was your own post that sunk ya. You tried valiantly to do an end around...............but it was read. The play got stuffed and you didn't even make it back to the line of scrimmage. 2nd and 13.
When you say crippled NCY from progress, what does that mean? NYC real estate in a down market is still going up like crazy. NYC is without question the most successful city in the country and the most visited travel destination in the US and among the top 5 in the World, all that with out an NFL stadium, who would think that's possible. Hotel vacancy is near overflowing every day. I would have loved to see the Jets and Giants build a stadium together in Queens or Brooklyn or the Bronx with a reasonable city development of the souronding area to be paid back in parking or hard concessions. Spending the huge amount needed for the Jets for a very limited Stadium on one of the worlds most valuable pieces of real estate and handing it over to the Jets just seemed like a complete rip to me. A platform on a clean ready to build site which the Jets required will make that parcell worth billions.
Believe what you want then I do not have to prove anything since I know I own them! Since you made the allegation is up to you to prove to everyone you are not BSing
I'm not saying the city will fall apart without the stadium, but it sure would have made something out of an area that is as of now pretty worthless. As you mentioned, hotel rooms are at a premium, so you don't think if the stadium was on the West Side and Javitz was more accessable, the market wouldn't be there for more hotels, shops and restaurants along the river? How many jobs and how much revenue would that have created on what is now an empty rail yard? The market is actually there now, since everyone who comes to Javitz for a three or four day trade show has to now waste precious time getting to and from their hotels in Midtown. If there was somewhere to go near Javitz and a way to get there, the area could be booming. Had the Jets develpoed the area it would be. Now it's not. You still have an empty, wasted area and people pissing and moaning that NY is a crappy place to have a trade show because there's no way to get to and from Javitz and nothing to do near it.
Hard to say but if they do the propossed expansion of Javits which was in place without the WSS, add the subway line and build the platform, I think what will happen is you will get a combination of hotels, resturants and more important, apartments and park land that will make that area a real neighberhood that will survive and thrive whether the business environment is good or not. The problem with a football stadium is it tends to destroy not build residential urban living and I don't know about you, but I would not want to be issolated all the way over there with an empty stadium during the week trying to walk or commute to Javits or even take a walk at night around an empty stadium. It seems to me there is off the chart demand for apartments in Manhattan and river front park land which would serve the community a lot better than an empty stadium which it will be a majority of the time. Take a look at the Tennis center for example. A much lower cost structure that houses a huge multi week event on much cheaper real estate. It also funcitons as a public facility for the city and has been a huge benifit to the people living in the area. That's an example of a low cost investment that has the added benifit of bringing people into NY and providing a usefull facility for the public.
That sounds good, but the reality is that area has been unused for how long now? The Jets were the only ones proposing and putting money up to do anything with it. Now it just sits there. What you say makes perfect sense, but nobody is making it happen.
What I'm about to say will undoubtedly make me unpopular with most New Yorkers and certainly with New York City dwellers and people with close business ties to the city. As a Linden, New Jersey boy born and raised, I've always been very close to Manhatten. And sure, I'm concerned about what goes on over there because it's geographically close and creates many jobs for some. It's also a nice place to go for a special occasion. But pardon me for saying this: I could give a rat's ass about what NY needs, about the West Side "community," about its financial affairs and about the development of its "neighborhoods." I'll bet I'm not the only one with this opinion either. And I could also care less about the success (or failure) of the Javits Center or any of the "residential urban living areas" surrounding the proposed WSS area as described. And what happens to the rail yards or "dead zones," may they continue to be the non-revenue producing, ugly eyesores they currently are or whether or not it gets beautified and contributes financially to "The City" is interesting, mind you, but not vital to my concerns as a Jets fan. In a nutshell, I could candidly care less what's good for the city (and I post this knowing the ire I'll attract in saying so). I venture to say there many other "Jets situations" too, other business ventures that could help bail out the city of it's financial and developmental problems, so to put that all on the backs of the NY Jets is ludicrous to say the least, because there will always be another "If we had a Jets situation, this neighborhood could have improved"-type scenario. And I resent the implication that the NY Jets had any obligation to help out "The City." What does concern me is the Jets franchise and the success of the club. I never felt that the WSS was extremely important for the Jets in the long-term scheme of things. Whether or not they played in Manhatten (or even NY for that matter) is unimportant to me as a Jets fan. They could have built another facility in Hempstead or Connecticut or Manhatten or NJ (and they will) and it's all irrelevent to my being a Jets fan. I would have supported them no matter where they go and probably continued going to games for as long as I'm able. So, yes, what happens in NYC interests me and sometimes concerns me to some degree, but for me, all of that always took a back seat to being a Jets fan. What happens to NYC because of the failure of the WSS concerns me little. What happens to the franchise does, and for that reason I totally supported the joint Jets-Ginats venture, which to me made the most sense across the board. The chips can fall where they may in NY City, but it was never a concern to most of us in NJ. Apparently, the way things went politically in "The City," it was of little concern to them also.
So then how do you explain the revitalization of "bad" areas of many cities with the catalyst being a sports complex or stadium - Cleveland, Baltimore, Denver, San Francisco etc.????? Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. The city's investment would have been $300 million. The Super Bowl alone brings an estimated $400 million in revenue to a city. The Final Four brings in almost as much. But NYC will never see that. As far as NYC being a tourist destination, you are correct. But as a convention destination, NYC ranks pretty low - somewhere between 11 and 20th. The simple reason is that there is no decent convention facility and no development around one. If you honestly believe that the WSS would not have spurred huge development on the West Side, you are mistaken. And while your vision for the West Side is a great one, what makes you think that it will ever happen? The rail yards have been desolate for decades. Why will they be developed now? And if they are developed, the city will still need to spend hundreds of millions for the platform and more for a subway line extension. By the way, what ever happened to Dolan's development plan? So for want of $300 million in "taxpayer" money, which would have been funded through a hotel tax (paid mostly by tourists) and a bond, the city has lost billions in revenue that could have been used to pay firemen, police, teachers, build schools , improve infrastructure, etc. In the end it is all moot. See you in the new stadium, which is in New Jersey, my current home state anyway. I'll gladly take the revenue for my state instead.
Sheldon Silver is no friend of the Jets, and no friend of NYC, and crooked corrupt piece of sh*t. If there's any justice in the world, he'll be poured into the concrete of the new meadowlands stadium
It was 600 million between the City and the State and another 400 million in Jets bonds that were guaranteed by the city and State. If it was actually 300 million that the City and State was on the hook for it would have at least made economic sense but it was 600 million in direct funds and a guarantee of another 400 million to the Jets. If the Jets defualt the taxpayers get the tab. The Taxpayers were on the hook for 1 billion dollars. Looking at what's going on in NJ the platform and roof probably would have cost at least 200 million more than was budgetted and the stadium itself would probably have major over runs as well, with a good chunk of that being transfered to the taxpayer. Javits is a none issue since they had a planned expansion in place without the stadium. When hotel rooms are allready sold out, raising taxes to patrons who are comming to the city for none Jets related reasons to pay for the Jets doesn't exactly make it a good deal. The hotel business in NJ close to NYC is booming because hotel rooms in NYC are off the charts in affordability now. The revenue scheme for paying the interest on the bonds let alone the bonds themselves were at best questionable. If the City and State actually retained the stadium ownership instead of giveing the land and the stadium to the Jets much like both the football stadium and baseball stadiums in Seattle and leased the stadium to the Jets and got the full rent on other events than you have something. The railyards are being rezoned and will be ultimately developed just like for 100's of years the area that the WTC and the entire SW end of Manhattan used to be part of the Hudson river and got developed. Baltimore, Cleveland and Denver stadiums are all publicly owned. SF is the first entirely privately funded stadium since Dodger stadium in the early 60's. The difference with Jets stadium is the amount of money that would be publicly financed for what is essentially a private stadium. The Jets had the balls to ask the taxpayers to pay for the roof on their stadium driving the price of public financing up by another 300 million.
OK, here's the proof "Ha if the MTA wins that will only increase the cost of PSLs to the season tix holders" Someone with 12 seats would not be happy that PSLs are going up.
