Perhaps true, but not a reason for the NY Jets to build a WSS there. The concerns were not for what's best for NYC, it's what's best for the NY Jets that counts.
But ownership felt what was best for the Jets was a West Side stadium, considering it was the first thing they pursued. I happen to agree. A new stadium in Jersey shared with the Giants is kinda boring. The Jets wouldda been kind of a big deal if they played in the city. Seeing a game there would have been very desirable from a national perspective.
It had been their first choice if it had made financial sense and had the "community" stepped up with the money and with the approvals. Unfortunately for NY, they didn't want the Jets badly enough to come up with either. Ahhh, no... I don't think so. In fact, I think the new stadium will be exciting. And since they're not playing "in the city," they're no longer a big deal? Who cares about national perspective? Let me ask you something, when the Dallas Cowboys are playing at home, do you ask yourself if they're playing in downtown Dallas? And is it less "desirable" if they arent'?
Dallas isn't New York. I'm with Gator in the sense that a brand new, state-of-the-art stadium in Manhattan would have been the shit. Think of all the stuff you hear guys saying about playing hoops at MSG--even as bad as the Knicks are--I think it would have morphed into that. Especially after you had a Super Bowl and some big time events there. I think NYC missed the boat.
You're being extremely narrow minded and quite silly, Section. NY is the # 1 tourist destination in the country and is currently in it's best tourist season ever. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/260445/new_york_the_largest_tourist_destination.html When you hear about major international cities you hear about London, Rome, Tokyo, New York, etc etc. You certainly don't hear about Dallas and I'm pretty sure East Rutherford has never come up You want to say I'm being NYcentric, or whatever, go ahead, but those are the facts. A marriage of the country's most popular city with it's most popular sports league would have been very exciting for even fringe fans. YOU'RE very excited about a new shared stadium in East Rutherford?????. You're a HUGE jets fan that goes to the games, posts about the team on-line every day and LIVES in New Jersey. This is not earth shattering news that you're excited, dude. I'm just saying that outside of us no one really cares or even knows that they are knocking down a stadium in East Rutherford shared by the Jets and Giants and building a new one to be shared by the Jets and the Giants. It's not that exciting of a story. Don't forget also that a NYC stadium would have been only a couple of miles and a straight line from the WTC site, which when finished is going to be one of the bigest tourist attractions in the world. The plan was to fill in the area in between with hotels, bars, restaurants and make that part of the city really cool. It was a terrible decision for the city, but it also affected the Jets adversly because in East Rutherford we're kinda the Same ole Jets. Now, I know for you thats better and just how you want it to be, but to truly understand what the WSS would have meant for the team you have to take yourself out of the equation
ashamed of themselves New York State and City should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves as to not be able to build a stadium for the JETS. Considering the Yanks and the Mets are getting new ones. The Jets I believe would have made a great tenant or owner of the WSS and the area would have had an exciting new project to embrace. NYC used to be a wonder of a place building bigger better innovative attractions, landmarks, structures, and they can?t even put together a deal to bring a football team back onto NYC grounds. I for one will always follow our beloved Jets and really just to stick it to New York I would change the name to just The JETS and leave off NY But never never ever ever say NJ
never ever ever say NJ New York State and City should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves as to not be able to build a stadium for the JETS. Considering the Yanks and the Mets are getting new ones. The Jets I believe would have made a great tenant or owner of the WSS and the area would have had an exciting new project to embrace. NYC used to be a wonder of a place building bigger better innovative attractions, landmarks, structures, and they can?t even put together a deal to bring a football team back onto NYC grounds. I for one will always follow our beloved Jets and really just to stick it to New York I would change the name to just The JETS and leave off NY But never never ever ever say NJ
Talk about narrow-minded and silly! Time to get over yourself and "The City." We're back to this debate, unfortunately, but let's not make this too personal, okay? I don't have to take myself out of ANY equation for you or anyone else. I've been a loyal Jets season ticketholder and supporter since 1985, so take your city and shove it. I made many a trip to Shea before that even... been a Jets fan since the '60's, so no lectures, please. I'm also not the naive Jersey boy you've seemed to fabricate in your mind. I'm from Linden, NJ, a short trian hop into Manhatten, and was hanging out in the village and drinking at McSorley's and other places in NY while your were probably still in diapers. But enough about that, it just seems typical to me that you seem to think that you have exclusive rights to ownership of NYC because you live in NY state. NYC belongs to everyone from the tri-state area who commutes into Manhatten. But this isn't about NY. Never has been. Especially "The City." NY has been shitting on the Jets for decades. Shea was a disgrace... making them play in a baseball facility all those years was criminal. No sense going back over all this because we already visited this ad nauseum back when the WSS fiasco was being debated. But you really need to get over the loss of the stadium, especially the WWS. It was a lousy idea in a lousy location, debated, considered and knocked down by even lousier NY politicians who should have and could have done much more for the Jets over the years and failed to. These guys are still in office, by the way, so just how outrageous is that? But in the end, they screwed over the Jets one more time, so why in the world should anyone give a damn about a stadium in NY? Truth be known, why should any Jets fan give a damn about NY at all? See you at the games, dude. Make the trip over to Jersey like I had to do to get to Shea. And for God's sake, get yourself some help getting over this thing. It's a done deal.
227 exactly I saw tons of games at the SH called shea and for football the only stadium close to that crappy was going to Giant games at Yankee Stadium. Fact is both the Jets and Giants played in NYC because the NFL and AFL needed NYC not the other way around. The first time I went to a game in the Meadowlands I was thrilled. You could actually see the game and you could take a piss during a time out. Truth is the current stadium is fine for 99% of the fans. The whole new stadium wherever it was is about revenue for the team, it isn't about the fans, the city or anything else.
Judging from your response, looks like my post hit home. You seem to have turned into a "I'm more of a NYer that you" contest. You really didn't address my post. My whole entry into this part of the discussion was your assertion that it's whats important for the Jets, not the city that's important. As I stated, ownership spent a lot of time and money to get what they felt was important for the Jets, a stadium in NY. As correctly stated by you, short sighted politicians shot it down. I didn't say I had a problem going to Jersey. It takes us 50 minutes from Morley park in Port Wash and about 1:20 coming home (using our secret way out and Jersey side roads) No big deal. The point was what was good for the Jets, and a NY stadium would have been better and WAS ownerships first choice. Would they make a choice they thought was not the BEST choice as their first choice. No. Anyway, like you said, see you at the stadium. I'll be looking UP to find ya.
It's a shocker that someone from NJ really likes the idea of a Jersey stadium and someone from NYC/LI really likes the idea of a WSS stadium.
i didn't mind either location (the train will get anyone in the tri-state area to the stadium). the only thing i didn't get is why anyone living in the west side (which i lived there for 3 years and i'm from Jersey) would want a monstrosity stadium in there backyard. i wouldn't if i still lived there. This is Manhattan people, not...Newark. Every inch of space in the "City" (not the other boroughs) is GOLD. Unless they were planning events there every other day, it might as well be a giant paper weight in the off season. i hope they eventually build a community at the railyards (although not luxary...wishful thinking) for middle class joes. :rofl: as great as manhatten is, just to expensive for most of us. also, Jets & Manhattan - that's Giant country for guys on Wall St. named Skip & Wellington.
I think your opinion that 99% of Jets fans are ok with playing at a stadium named and designed for the city's other team is way off. I bet you could even find some fans in Jersey who would rather play at Shea TODAY, and endure the longer trip for it, just so they wouldn't have the embarrassment of being a second citizen to the other, more established, NFL team in the city. Being a second citizen to the Mets was less than desirable (especially starting off on the road for 3 weeks every season or whatever it was), but to many it was, and still would be, better than playing in a stadium called GIANTS Stadium. I also think that some of this sentiment will carry over to the new stadium despite the fact that the two teams are now equal partners and the stadium design and name will reflect that, just because of the history of the site and the fact that staying in Jersey was clearly a 2nd tier option forced upon the franchise when their grand plans to build in Manhattan fell through. Count me in that category.
I'm hoping the new stadium will erase all that, especially since the site has been our home for 25 years by the time it's built. We won't be needing the wall coverings and looking at all the red and blue the whole time we're there, that's the big problem now. That and the team traveling over from Long Island, which will also be corrected. I do think if the WSS was built, the Jets over time might have become the city's team over the Giants, just for the sheer fact that they were playing in a swanky new place right in Manhattan. I also think with Javitz there that the area would not have gone to waste the rest of the year when there were no football games. There's always something going on in the city, trade shows, concerts, etc.
The Jets could have had a stadium in any of the 5 boroughs of NYC at almost any time in their history if they wanted to, all they had to do was pay for it. That aside, any one who says they preferred to watch a Jets game at shea over the Meadowlands is either a liar a fool or lived in Queens. The place was a shit hole, freezing cold, windy and had horrible site lines. You can actually see the Jets in Giant stadium. While many may feel nostalgia for those days, the reality was quite different from the nostalgia. The Giants who used to play in an even worse Shit hole called Yankee stadium, to their credit built a very nice stadium for football on some very under utilized land a stones throw from the city. The Giants were nice enough to work out a business arrangement with our previous owner to allow the Jets to play at the Meadowlands, which benefited the Jets greatly since the owner had no intention of investing in a stadium on his own. The stadium has worked well for both teams and the fans of both teams for well over 20 years and with some minor renovation could suffice for probably another 20 years or so. Both teams seem to want to maximize stadium revenue with something that will enhance the corporate experience. It makes perfect sense for both teams to work together to do just that if that's the goal. The Jets are taking a step up from never having a stadium to now being partners in a stadium. If you want to cry about it feel free. I think it?s a great step up although I don?t think all the bells and whistles will be worth the additional cost since to me it?s about the game and being able to see it
Also true. And I am excited about getting a new stadium in New Jersey and not being the second class team anymore, don't get me wrong. But as I said earlier, I feel the city missed the boat with the WSS from their own point of view, the Jets will be ok either way. It's the city's loss, they will now have worthless rail yards producing nothing for the next hundred years. Must be nice to be so rich they can thumb their noses at someone looking to invest a billion or two into their city. Oh, wait....
Maybe they did? In the meantime the area is being rezoned the platform will be built and the area will be developed.
