Jets vs Browns Discussion Thread

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  1. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    LOL, Hell and NO.

    It is impossible not to love Rex. Our #1 09 D is coming back to form currently 6th in avg. yards allowed(total defense), 3rd in points allowed, 4th in rush D, and 18th in a improving Pass D now that Revis is back.

    Our 3rd down D has significantly improved which was a major concern earlier in the year.

    I'm very happy with Sanchez, to me as long as the gameplan and playcalling are solid he plays great. When he has a bad game I blame Schotty. lol


    In the very short sample you have of Colt how are fans reacting? I picture a lot of love so far for the young man. Do you think they should let him do more within the offense?
     
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  2. IATA

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    No.


    this is filler
     
  3. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    Can't complain about anything he has done on the field this year. As I had hoped he seems to have overcome his drops which always appeared to be a mental thing for him. He is our only consistent deep threat so far, though Holmes is starting to show signs of life. His biggest positive is his run blocking. He has the stigma of being a diva WR but he is all heart when he gets on the field. He actually reminds me of Coles in this way, fans hated some of the stuff he said off the field but you knew that he was giving you 100% every Sunday no matter what he had to say during the week.
     
  4. JetFanInMD

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    ......................... Pts .. Rush . Pass Turnovers
    Cleveland Offense 19 .... 4.2 .. 6.8 . 21
    NY Jets Defense .. 16.2 . 3.3 ... 6.6 . 12


    ......................... Pts .. Rush . Pass Turnovers
    Cleveland Defense 19.5 .. 3.9 .. 7.4 . 13
    NY Jets Offense ... 22.8 .. 4.7 ... 6.6 . 19

    The Jets defense matches up well with Cleveland's offense. Cleveland lives by the run and the Jets shut down rushing attacks. Cleveland may have an opportunity to get their normal 190 passing yards per game.

    The Jets offense faces a Cleveland defense that does fairly well against the run but allows high passing yardage. Cleveland does not get many takeaways so the Jets may take a few more risks this week early in the game.
     
  5. ace_o_spades

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    1. Mark Sanchez has been up and down, to be expected from a 2nd year starting QB. Having said that, he's the starting QB of a 6-2 ball club so no complaints here.

    2. Defense is not giving up a lot of points and forcing QBs to complete less than 50% of their passes. Rush defense is among the best in the league

    3. Nah don't miss Mangini cus we got Rex Ryan. If we had a slap dick coach then maybe
     
  6. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    I always really liked Mangini. I can't say I miss him because RR has been outstanding, but EM is a solid coach, very smart, who looks to be growing as a leader over there in Cleveland. He got a raw deal here in NY, getting fired after 2/3 winning seasons and building a solid young core of players, but that's how it is in this business. I think the NYJ fanbase is really unappreciative of what he had going on here, but that's par for the course with this fan base.
     
  7. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I don't miss Mangini because his philosophy did not match what this culture needed.

    He is a decent coach but now that he has a real coordinator on defense he'll actually do well. Rob is a hell of a coach.

    Mangini's style doesn't work in this market, and his Jets team couldn't close out games.
     
  8. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Exactly. This team needed its own identity, not a half assed wanna be NE
     
  9. MadBacker Prime

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    I hated how he wouldn't fit players into a system he forced his system on them and wasn't real flexible with it. We lost some good players due to this.
     
  10. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Mangini helped bring in some solid talent here, and he was a good x's and o's guy but he lacked in game adjustments and player relationships. Both things he seemed to lack are definitely things he could learn and improve.
     
  11. JetFanInMD

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    Mangini was just a few years removed from being a quality control assistant when he became the Jets head coach. He was too young and inexperienced to lead a major market team to success.

    I do not miss Mangini in the least. I was shocked when he got another head coach gig so quickly. He needs time to learn coaching in the NFL.
     
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  13. Brown to the Bone

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    Young Colt looks to be the real deal. He is very very accurate, best I have seen in that regards in a long time. He doesn't have ideal arm strength but his ability to anticipate and put the ball on time on target make him a really good young prospect at this point.

    The Browns still haven't taken the training wheels off but each week he does a little more and has really taken control of the huddle. The guys on the team seem to really like the kid and he is an elephant. He watches tons of game film and he seems to be able to translate the information he gets from watching tape and the info he gets from the coaches onto the football field.

    He also appears to be able to make in game adjustments, and he remembers every single play in the game and the looks he got from the defense. He's football smart.

    The best part is the game isn't to big for him. He has had only 3 moments in three games that he looked like a rookie and 2 of those happened in the Pitt game and one happened in the NO game. Last week he played clean and made some really nice throws on the run at critical points in the game. He's good guys, he has some learning to do, and he isn't ideal in terms of size or arm strength but he has "IT".

    At this point theirs not much to not like.
     
  14. mangoldman

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    Mangini failed miserably with halftime adjustments during games. And i agree that he tried too much to fit square pegs in round wholes instead of playing to the strength of the players he had. Vilma was a great player and it was sad to see him go. I would agree that Vilma seems like hes more suited for the 4-3 anyways.

    Also the prevent defense, especially at the end of games. where guys could just pick apart the defense and go right down the field.
    To eric's credit, it seems like now he has learned alot from working for the jets and he is beginning to develop as a coach. I dont watch alot of browns but i have been impressed the past few weeks. His attitude was too Belicheck esque and new york needed an electric personality.
    lets not forget though that Eric gave us our core 4 Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, and...braylon..
    i do not miss those dull vague press conferences after losses, or the collapse with favre, or the prevent defense, or the inconsistency in general
     
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  15. Brown to the Bone

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    On that front this team has improved quite a bit from the start of the season, it's hard to take an average and say this is the Browns, that would be a mistake I think, no make that I know that would be a mistake.

    Lets put it like this you start out playing great have an injury everything chnages, in the case of the Browns it's taken a bit of time for the guys to gain that in game experience with each other. We changed out 5 starters from last year on defense. They are still improving and believe it or not you see it every week from one week to the next. honest every single week this season they have gotten better. Where in the stats you quoted does it tell you that?

    The offense has been pretty average but they are finally beginning to improve every week just like the defense. We had some injury issues at the QB position thats beginning to get better and young Colt is now in charge of the offense. It's going to be very interesting to see what the Jets cook up to try to rattle the young man.

    You mention your above average pass rush. I didn't hear anyone talk about the O Line. Ours is pretty damned good in fact i think our O Line is better. Thomas at LT is the best and young Mack (Center) is about to make his 1st pro Bowl. And the line while having injuries keeping them from progressing early are playing their best ball right now. Guys theirs a good reason that Hillis has been able to run effectively. The one game the Browns stubbled in the running game was the Pitt game from there they have run effectively every week.

    In fact in both the NE and the NO wins they ran the ball to close the game. No big deal right in both instances they knew it was coming and couldn't stop it. Not to mention Hillis is a beast of a RB to try to contain. He is 6'2" and about 245 and he hits LBers and DB's with bone jaring results. You'll hear the pads cracking this weekend. That takes it's toll on a defense over the course of the game. He's tuff as hell guys just watch.

    Enough for now more later...

    BTTB
     
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  16. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    Hillis did have success on the Jets the last time he played against them and I do think he is a good back. It's hard for me to believe that the Jets are going to allow him to run all over them when they have shut down pretty much every good running back they have come across. The only time teams have gotten the running game going against this D this year seemed to be when the main focus was the passing game like in Denver.

    I won't discount the Browns running game because they did just destroy the Pats on the ground, I just find it hard to believe that Rex won't have something planned to keep it in check.
     
  17. JetFanInMD

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    The 2008 Jets and the 2010 Jets have very little in common in terms of playing the run. The 2008 Jets were a read and react containment defense. That 2008 Denver game was a fiasco of missed or broken arm tackles. This year's team has an attacking style that launches large bodies at the ball carrier.

    This team is more susceptible to the misdirection play than the north-south run.

    How about this alignment for the first defensive snap:
    Ellis, Pouha, DeVito, Gholston
    Thomas, Scott, Harris, Pace
    Revis, Smith, Cromartie

    That might set the tone for the day.
     
  18. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    I like Taylor in Ghost's spot here but yeah I get where your going with that. Only 3 DB's isn't something you would see from Rex with this defense very often but if the Browns are using a lot of heavy run formations with only one or two WR's I could see Rex putting a package like this on the field. Good luck finding an space to run against that front 8.
     
  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Man, you could change the date on this post to 2002 and change the player's name to Chad Pennington and it would be perfect.
     
  20. JetFanInMD

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    Jason Taylor will be limited to passing situations from here on out this year. He would not be part of the "Jumbo" defense.

    I don't really anticipate seeing this formation but would laugh pretty good if I did see it.
     
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