lol true, but a lot of it, was due to running for his life and throwing with poor mechanics and relying on his arm too much. His mechanics and footwork looked much better in his pro day and he said he's working on it. If he can take what he's done the last few months, with an NFL coach for 12 more months, he can be much more consistent.
I actually thought he battled vs Iowa + made a lot of good throws. It’s the Oregon tape that is unsettling. They put all sorts of pressure on him, the kind he will see in the NFL and he’s entire process sped up to the point where he couldn’t complete a pass. The Boise State film is his 2nd worst imo. It’s also bad, but didn’t leave me with a feeling of dread like the Oregon tape. How a person can watch those 2 games and still feel great (like a top 3 pick) about the likelihood of him succeeding in the NFL is beyond me.
He looked terrible against Oregon but he talent disparity was so wide, it's hard to take away anything from that tape. While he was not great, I didn't see much bad against Boise St. That said; we all don't see the same things when watching games..
Agree to a point w/Oregon. They blew them away with speed/talent, but Allen lacked composure and you sort of want to see that in a top prospect imo. Boise State was a winnable game. Allen was ok in the 1st qtr. The rest of the game was mostly bad. A lot of his throws were off the mark, he took way too many sacks by holding on to the ball too long (He will need to learn to process faster have success in the NFL), his two picks were bad throws. I personally don’t like seeing him run so much. I know it was part of their offense, but he will get hurt playing that way in the NFL. The guy has a ton of talent but a ton of question marks too.
@legler82 did watch Vooch Lombardi's videos? 6:12 mark is exactly what I am referring to in terms of his inconsistencies. He does things like this every game. Vooch is spot on with this assessment in this video IMO, 6 out of 10 times he will make that throw and it will be the best damn throw you will see, but there will be 4 instances where you are like WTF
Sounds like Eli Manning. BTW way I watch his videos mostly for the funny commentary not so much for the evaluation.
Anybody who thinks he is going to look better than that in the NFL doesn't understand what was happening that day. Allen was very inaccurate with his ball placement, frequently making his receiver catch the ball in an awkward position preventing yards after the catch. He gave up way too much ground scrambling, which made the desperation heaves at the end of the scramble ineffective. He did intentionally throw the ball away several times, typically when he was 15-20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and had no way to make an effective throw anyway. He had one great escape on the right sideline that turned into a sack on the left sideline because he did not have his eyes downfield as he was scrambling after he evaded the first tackle. Basically Allen looked confused for most of the game, frequently running into the arms of the Mike on the RPO's because he had failed to identify the Mike before the snap. Iowa's MLB did a better job of reading the QB than Allen did of reading him. You're going to have to put a lot of fairy dust on Allen to make him a good NFL QB. Right now his ceiling is Blake Bortles.
30 seconds after the 6:12 mark after rematching the same clip he says "granted pressure is in his face". You know who is inaccurate when there's immediate pressure in his face? Tom Brady. His center got beat CLEAN with the most mundane swim move I've ever seen in my life. Allen was "going through his progressions" from right to left by the time he got to his open second read the nose tackle was bearing down on him and he rushed the throw of his back foot. If anything, I would criticize how slowly and nonchalantly he was going through his reads as if was standing behind the Oklohoma offensive line. Even if the pocket was clean that has to be quicker.
but Br4d, the million dollar question is do you take him or Mayfield. I think I would have to gamble with Allen, given I have a plan for him. Let Teddy get the run for this season, find out what Josh Allen does best in an offense and incorporate an offense around his skill-sets. Personally, I would take Lamar over both of them, but hes not on Mac's radar.
The line is bad, but you gotta have some sort of clock in your head. Big Ben can make that throw all of the time. Ben makes throws with like 2 or 3 defenders on him.
If that is the choice then you have to take Mayfield or find a sucker who thinks Allen is going to be great to take the pick at a premium. The teams that can afford to try to develop Josh Allen are the teams that have a QB for the next 2-3 years that is going to keep Allen nailed to the bench. It's not clear that it is even possible to develop a QB under the 2011 CBA in that scenario. The Redskins got screwed with Cousins because he came due too soon after developing. The Aaron Rodgers scenario probably does not work in a world where you have to pay your QB $20M a year on his second contract. There's not enough time to win with him before that. If you have a Bill Walsh on staff to develop the guy quicker, by all means take him. I only see a couple of guys with that talent level in the NFL right now and it's not clear that their QB's weren't already developed when they got them. Look at the problems that Mariota is having adapting to the pace of the NFL game. He was an extremely accurate QB in college and had an amazing ability to scramble effectively coming into the NFL. Now you have Allen, who is not accurate and who did not scramble effectively in college. How is he going to adapt?
I have no problem with criticizing the clock in his head on that play. I do have an issue with citing that as an example of a "WTF" throw. Anybody objectively watching the tape should know WTF it is. Lastly, criticizing him for not being Big Ben is kind of like NYers criticizing Melo for not being LeBron. Get over it; few guys are that special. I've seen Allen make incredible throws Big Ben type of throws with guys draped all over him and also seen him make terrible ones. I've said it countless times when his accuracy fails him it is when he is off platform and/or throwing the ball with a lot of velocity. Another thing I've expressed before is that Darnold and Mayfield, in that order, are MUCH BETTER throwing accurately consistently off platform than Allen and Rosen. Interesting, just realized as I wrote this that the 2 Spread guys are better at being accurate when their mechanics are out of whack than the 2 pro-style guys.
Come to the dark side, you know you want to... All joking aside, when you watch Rodgers with Rosen, he stresses this point as what he works on most - being able to throw off platform accurately. I don’t think Allen will ever be successful doing that + I do think that’s a big part of what the NFL has become.
I really think people don't understand what ceiling means. if you want "ceiling" watch a highlight video where it shows their best throws alot of those throws are throws none of the other prospects are making in the draft and even a lot of NFL QBs can't make. what you see is accuracy, touch, one of the best looking deep balls i've seen any QB throw, The ability to throw any route, the ability to buy time Sure he has his issues, he's incosistent (note inconsistent does not mean inaccurate) , he hasn't produced great numbers , he needs to learn his progressions better, learn how to read a defense. neds to learn to stand in the pocket better and work on his mechanics. But same can be said of eevry QB in the draft outside of rosen (which includes darnold), but rosen doens't have the arm talent of allen. neither does mayfield or darnold. Rosen will likely be the best QB of this draft for years 1 to 3. But allen could be the best overall even though it's likely going to be darnold. Mayfield has a low ceiling but also a high bust potential. Mayfield has the lowest ceiling of any of the top 5 QBs in this draft, and only has a lower bust potential then jackson.
I'm glad you mentioned that Rodgers clip. The key to what you wrote is that "he work[ed]" on it. Rodgers was labelled a "system guy" coming out of college; he was criticized for a very rigid almost mechanical throwing motion where he kept the ball really high limiting the amount of power he could get behind his deep ball. It was something he was "taught" and had to unlearn. I'm sure being around the very anti-mechanical Favre helped loosen him up. It seems to come natural to Darnold and Mayfield looks like he has developed it out of necessity because of his stature. I think Allen can develop it if he works hard at it like Rodgers more so than Rosen because of his nature athletic ability, the fact he's shown it on tape just not consistently and that he already throws the ball well on the move when it is a "designed" as opposed to an "unscripted" play.
he's made plenty of those type of throws including a few throws very similar to the wentz one this year everyone gushed over look at the wentz video now look at the allen video at :33, :53, 1:25, 1:47, 2:03, to name a few
I didn’t really watch Rodgers play in college but after watching that video I went and searched up a couple games. First of all WTF was that ball position? He held it like above his head haha. Also he was nowhere near the improvisational player he is today, so hopefully Rosen can learn to throw on the move like he did. He has superstar potential if he can.
let us not forget that SF took smith over rodgers not because talent, but because of his attitude. they loved him. I posted an article with an interview with the GM how they felt "safer" taking smith because he had a great attitude. They moved on from smith after 8 years of pretty lack luster play in favor of kaepernick and smith went to KC where ried revived his career and he's been a solid game manager but not a great QB. meanwhile GB moved on from favre and put in rodgers who went on to win a SB and be a top 5 QB in the NFL. Even the GM said if he could do it again, he'd take rodgers and not have feel for the kid who nailed the interviews over the more talented prospect.
Rosen simply lacks the innate athleticism to ever become the improvisational player that Rodgers has become. You have to have the physical ability first before you can develop it. Rodgers had an ability that was suppressed by his college system. That's not the case with Rosen. Rosen can still be a superstar; however, in the confines of the pocket.
