Regarding Cotchery, we had Wayne Chrebet on the team right up to the final weeks of Herm's last year, people forget that. So you had Chrebet with Moss, then Moss left and Coles came back. Cotchery is one of those great stories, but not a lot of people knew he'd be this good. They sure weren't going to play him over Moss or Chrebet. Also, I'd say Pennington bailed Herm out a lot of the time with clock and game management or else Herm's legacy would be even worse. Any time Chad was out we'd have major clock issues, whether it was Vinny or Quincy Carter in there.