I agree in general, but your case isn't quite as strong as you're making it seem. If you're gonna credit Foles for playing at an elite level, then you have to take off from Peyton for getting carried by his teammates. And Eli's Hall of Fame case is those Super Bowls.
No one is saying that. No one. And I'll tell you this. If last night was the first time I'd ever seen Mahomes, I would still know the guy is a FQB. Even though he was being chased all over you could tell he has tremendous talent. I can't say the same for Sam. His 3 year highlight reel would be 10 seconds long. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Well to be fair you listed 9 different guys (10 with Brady) and there’s only 32 teams in the league. So another way to look at it is that about 1/3 of starting Qb’s can win a SB...
That is not true, it was ranked the worst and this years was not much better until December...so don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
The pass blocking wasn't so bad this past season. Sam missed many opportunities to throw to open receivers.
Your argument is softened because you can't remove Brady from the equation. I saw the stat that he is more likely to make it to the SB than Steph Curry is to hit a three. He's the greatest quarterback ever. So bringing Brady into the discussion proves the fact that great quarterbacks are needed. Anyways, obviously team balance is important. I think everyone realizes that whether we trade for Watson, keep Darnold or draft a quarterback at 2, we need to continue to draft well at key positions and develop those players and make sure we retain the right ones, while letting others walk.
Correct. The offensive line was pretty bad last year. It was ok this year although still not great. The offensive line play needs to improve. But the problem is that when there was clean offensive line play, Sam was bad. And the quarterback is at least partly (25% maybe?) responsible for the offensive line at times. People don't realize that the center and quarterback communicate with the rest of the front and back/tightend on every play. If the blitz is coming, and it's too many men than blockers, the quarterback is responsible for one of them whether it's a hot read or making him miss. That's what Mahomes does so damn well. Identify the blitz, run away from them OR find the hot read and get the ball out of his hands. If he can't identify the blitz because he's not seeing the field cleanly, then the line will struggle. He has a much better picture of the front seven than the left guard has.
You are far more likely to make a SB with a great offensive line than hold out hope you got the next Tom Brady. Also Tom Brady always has had a great offensive line. The only superbowls he ever lost were when his oline broke down. i’m the rare fan who actually supports Darnold, because the Jets didn’t... but still feels the smart move is to move on from him - mainly via the draft - bang for buck, Buffalo team building model.
Dude nobody is saying you NEED Tom Brady to win Super Bowls. We're just saying you need a guy that's a hell of a lot better than worst in the entire NFL.
he said last year the Jets were worst, this year they are one of the worst not the worst. yes, bengals got them beat still the Jets have a bad oline and the worst set of playmakers in the NFL.
Most, and nearly all teams that make it to the SB have great quarterback play. It's also a lot easier to find sustained success with a great quarterback (making the playoffs consistently) than it is with great offensive line play. You only have to keep one player intact versus five. The Seahawks are always among the worst in the league sacks wise, but they have great QB play. It can also be a bit easier to recycle the offensive line by drafting well in the mid rounds. The Buccaneers started one first round draft pick on the line yesterday and that's the rookie they drafted this past year. I don't think the argument though is ever that you can sustain success without relatively good offensive line play. However, it's a bit of a misnomer that you need to consistently spend first round picks on them to achieve that.
And they have a FQB and still sucked? Coincidence? OLs are vital to have a great perennial championship team.
Great. Nobody disagree with you. It still does not mean we need to throw our 2nd overall pick to draft a QB just because Sam Darnold is not good enough. It's a process, add talent around the QB AND any QB would be better including the worst one in the league. I simply don't see elite QB apart from Lawrence. In the grand scheme the smartest decision is movinf down and get a top super talent like Ja'Marr Chase/Davonta Smith and fix the line with other picks.
Sam Darnold had the 29th rated oline, Frank Gore as his starting RB and arguably the worst WR’s + TE in the league and Gase as his head coach... I don’t know too many Qb’s who could thrive in that type of situation. I get it fans hate Darnold because it’s so much easier to blame on one guy... based on what has been said the NFL is not nearly as down on him... I’m taking a wait and see approach.
We’d def be in a much different cap situation, there’s no doubt about that but that’s why you cut those guys I’ve mentioned, so you have that additional space/flexibility. Also, do you think ARob and Thuney are getting 6 year, fully guaranteed deals? No, probably 3-4 year deals with outs after 2-3. When it’s time to pay Q and/or Becton, you reassess and allocate funds accordingly. Good teams do this all the time, the Jets just haven’t been in a situation like that lately so it’s very foreign to us. There are multiple paths forward for the Jets to build a consistent contender. I just happen to believe trading for Watson would be one of those paths.
Of course but there are ways around that. Front-loading the contract being one. We’d pay more up front but less when Watson’s contract shoots up. Just another reason guys like Anderson, Lewis, GVR, and Griffin have to go IMO.
Ceilings and potential matter though. At this point his ceiling looks like Andy Dalton. There are a lot of Andy Dalton's in the league. Most prospects have flaws even if they're seldom discussed. The only two nearly flawless prospects coming out of the draft were Luck and Peyton. And even Peyton's arm strength was slightly questioned and obviously Luck ultimately has not worked out unless he puts his superman cape on and returns and wins a championship. Lawrence has flaws too. Fields has a very high ceiling and was much less turnover prone in college than Darnold was. He's also a much better raw athlete with a good arm for the NFL. I'll let the Wilson guys tell you why he has a high ceiling.
