Marlins @ Mets (5/29-5/31)

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  1. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    This is a pattern for Minaya. Whenever the Mets have a "surplus" he thinks it's a good idea to trade servicable ML'ers for some pipe dream prospects that will never even sniff the majors. Brian Bannister, Matt Lindstrom, Heath Bell. At least the guys they got back in those last 2 deals didn't kill anyone, so maybe Minaya's eye is getting sharper.

    The Mets aren't saving any money either because they're also paying the entire difference in salaries. Like I said if they were that in love with Santos and are going to go the cash eating route they should've just dumped Schneiders useless ass.
     
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    Angel Pagan LF
    Fernando Martinez RF
    Carlos Beltran CF
    Fernando Tatis 3B
    Daniel Murphy 1B
    Ramon Martinez 2B
    Brian Schneider C
    Wilson Valdez SS

    Today's lineup, it is so bad that it is comical :lol:
     
  3. davecrazy

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    So it's better to lose Castro for nothing at the end of the year then give Santos maybe 100 more at-bats then he would of gone to Castro?

    It's a wash in terms of production, and it gets a useful chip in the system. If we wind up trading Broadway in part of a package deal for a legit big bat or another front line starter then the trade gets even better.
     
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    I don't think Castro is anything special any more thanks to the bad back, but the Mets are saving very little on salary; he's owed $1.75 million for the rest of the year, and the Mets are sending at least $1.4 million to the White Sox. If they could have dumped Schneider on anyone for less money than that I'm sure he would have been the one to go.
     
  5. JetBlue

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    I see the logic, our guys probably couldn't hit Johnson anyways, so if they are just going to whiff and hit ground outs, may as well give them the day off and some rest and see if the scrubs maybe can get some lucky contact.
     
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    Stop this nonsense about Broadway having any trade value. The guy is a busted prospect. He's a sinkerballer with 1 pitch, and no command of said pitch. Basically, he's where Pelfrey was 2 years ago, and he's almost 26.

    Also, the Castro/Santos production being a wash assumes that Santos will continue to overperform.
     
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    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Looks like that excellent first start from Redding was a mirage.
     
  8. 17a_tailgater

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    as fans we have to think like an owner. and its what have you done for me lately.2006-2007 astro was a good servicable backup with some pop. but now his warts are showing. doesnt spot pitches well or block the plate. doesnt have a great arm and has very little speed.

    so for not having at least 1 above average trait,you go with the hot hand.

    the mets are always guilty of keeping someone too long for something they did for a short period of time and not in the present.

    joe mcewing
    jose valentin

    lightning in a bottle only last for so long.then it dies out and you have to catch it again.
     
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    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Well, at least Martinez isn't going to go 0-for the major leagues.
     
  10. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    Sigh, I get to the point where I'm practically doodling Acta's name on my notebook like a schoolgirl. Bleh.
     
  12. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Meh. Manuel is of course an idiot, but Acta has shown pretty much nothing, and the team's record is getting progressively worse. Just because you value statistics doesn't mean that you're a good manager.

    The biggest problems for the Mets lie at Minaya's doorstep, not Manuel's, unfortunately.
     
  13. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    Your last comment seems to argue against your first. Given that so much of a managers record is dependant on the roster he has to work with can you really judge a guy like Acta off his record in Washington? No one could win there.

    Unless the guy is some borderline sociopath that is going to alienate all his players what else are you supposed to judge a manager on but his knowledge of the game and his ability to put his players in the best position to win?
     
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    It doesn't contradict it at all. Who says no one could win in Washington more than 40% of the time? Acta's teams have gotten progressively worse from year 1 to year 2 to year 3, without any appreciable change in age or experience level. That hardly speaks to his ability to help a team win. We've seen plenty of Nats games because of the unbalanced schedule, and Acta has hardly shone as an in-game manager from what I've seen, so I see no evidence to suggest that he puts his players in the best position to win, either. I never said that Manuel was a better manager than Acta; you said that the Mets would be in much better shape if Acta was their manager rather than Manuel, and I see no evidence to suggest that that is true. A few quotes from Acta certainly doesn't constitute such evidence. Now if you want to compare Manuel to Bobby Valentine, that's an entirely different proposition.

    You also seem to think that I'm saying that the Mets are an untalented team, which is not true (not only am I not saying that, it's also not true that they are untalented). They're also not an underachieving team, since they are in first place, with one of the best records in baseball, despite all of their injuries. When I say that the team's problems are because of Minaya, I'm talking about from the point of view of getting to and winning the World Series, since their lack of depth is what I believe will stand in the way of that, not from the point of view of saying that they stink. That doesn't absolve Manuel of any responsibility, but the lineups he's been forced to use over the last few weeks aren't his fault either, and the team has managed to win despite that.
     
  16. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    I'll say it. The Nationals are a horrible franchise and have been mismanaged for many years. I also never said that the Mets would be a much better team with Acta, just that I'd much rather have a guy like Acta as the manager as opposed to Manuel.

    I don't disagree anything you said in the second part either really. Except maybe to quibble that with their exorbitant payroll it's reasonable to hold them to higher expectations. So while they may not be untalented or underachieving compared to the league as a whole, when you take into account all their resources you could make the case that they are not playing as well as they should be.
     
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    My dad called me yesterday, he was listening to the game on the radio. Now he tries to follow the Mets as much as he can, but doesn't keep up too well with the players anymore. He calls and goes "Are they calling a minor league Mets game on 790(miami radio) today?"

    Today's lineup:

    Angel Pagan CF
    Luis Castillo 2B
    David Wright 3B
    Gary Sheffield RF
    Daniel Murphy 1B
    Fernando Martinez LF
    Omis Santos C
    Wilson Valdez SS
    John Maine
     
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    Pagan drives in a run, and then pulls up lame going after a double. Beltran apparently still under the weather. This is some bad run for this team.
     
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    Wright with the excellent play to double off Ramirez.

    Maine is pitching great (and only 80 pitches through 6), but I'd really like a few more runs.
     
  20. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    at least now johan won't feel like the mets are only unable to score when he pitches
     

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