why panic?why make any moves?why is it with him or without him?kendall is an aging vet.he cannot afford to sit out an entire season..he is under contract...tell him to play and shut up .. if he doesn't shut up then fine him...he has absolutely no leverage..if he is the best option then simply tell him to play..
That's a no-brainer... but GJF is right, this IS extortion because he knows we really do need him as a player, mentor, and back-up...and he really is worth more to us, however it is now a matter of principle, he's getting 2.3 million per year when you prorate the bonus over the life of his contract...let him sit or trade his ass for something useful...anything less would be a pansy move by the FO!
He is worth the extra money to our team at this present time, and we have the money on the cap this year, so it's not like it would hurt us capwise...but the FO can't afford to be viewed as pushovers and that's why I say no deal. Trade him or make him sit!
that's right. My answer is neither If you were Kendall, those would be the options you'd want. He wants the Jets to pay him more or release him. No.
I know its a business. He took a paycut, to help the team out ... correct ? Why is it bad if he now wants some of that money back, shit he can't be that bad he took a 3.3 million dollar pay cut. The business side of me says O well, the other side says its only right hes untitled to an extra Million. Especially when im pretty sure well go into the season under the cap by a couple million.... Eh. What do I know.
If that's really true, then he does deserve the cash...I just can't tell from this article. Anyone else know the facts?
Gotta pay the guy. What's funny is that everyone praises when a player takes a cut yet when it's only fair they get paid it's no dice. He's earned it IMO and he deserves it. He's a throwback guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Restructuring obviously helped the team...so the real issue is did he do it and just straight up lose money for the good of the team? or did he trade the money up front for a guaranteed long-term deal with less per year, meaning he traded one big paid year for three good paid years of security. If its the first, pay da man, we can afford it, and we will be better this year with him, than without him. If he made a deal he thought was in his best interest, then that's the way it should stay.
He's an OK guard who is getting older by the minute. He renegotiated last year and gained money on the deal and now he wants it back. Everything about this situation tells me the Jets should be done with him. Really they should find a trade partner in the NFC and send him that way. No point in giving the Dolphins a worked-up freebie this year.
I say we hold firm do not pay him. He can sit and not get paid or he can play and earn his money. But I say no to renogotiating his contract.
I've never yet wanted to punch a journalist , but this guy is unbelievable. Hes getting all warm because he thinks theres going to be fireworks with PK coming into camp. God I really really hope that his contract is sorted out and nothing happens if anything just to piss Dannyboy off. heres the latest effort at journalism.... June 13, 2007 This Could Be Interesting It is going to be like a bad date. Both parties are going to be very uncomfortable and will want it to end as soon as possible. What I'm referring to is guard Pete Kendall's appearance at the Jets three-day mini-camp, starting on Thursday. Kendall has been absent the last two months from the Jets off-season workout program, embroiled in an ugly contract dispute with the team. But he plans on showing up to the mini-camp, since it's mandatory, and he's subject to fines if he isn't present. No doubt it's going to be a tension convention. What will both sides say to each other? What will they say to the media? We know Jets coach Eric Mangini won't say anything of note; he never does. But Kendall, the personification of a straight-shooter, could provide some good material. Both sides actually have legitimate arguments in this imbroglio. Considering three good, but not great guards (Eric Steinbach, Derrick Dockery and Leonard Davis) received new deals in the neighborhoods of $7 million a year, Kendall, scheduled to make $1.7 million this year, is underpaid. The Jets feel since they gave him a new deal last year, that netted him over $5 million in 2006, they don't want to re-work his contract again. Especially, since he is soon to be 34, and doesn't move as well as in the past. The Jets off-season has been somewhat nondescript, without a lot of compelling stories. That is how "Tangini" likes it. But Kendall's appearance at the mini-camp should change that.
Much better then the usual 'give em his $$$' post. All good points, let me address each one though. 1) He WAS our best guard. He took a step back last year and I don't see him magically turning the ship around and rebounding now. We have some young guys who may not be technicians at that spot BUT do have more of a road paving ability (which is what we need by Dbrick anyway). 2)Mangold has been out for OTA's and someone (Wade Smith I think) has been taking snaps at center. The only reason Kendall was at Center was b/c we were out of options that year; that isn't the case anymore. 3)These guys aren't rookies anymore; they've been in the league a year so they should know what to expect; there success will be determined by there own self-discipline at this point. 4)The amount he is asking for is pretty low, BUT it will effect out cap long term because once we give him what he wants we potentially open the floodgates for everyone who makes a contribution asking for more money. My problem isn't with giving him a small pay raise, but once its done we set a bad standard for everyone else on the team. Factoring his contributions made in the past with the problems presented in the future it makes no sense to give him more money. I feel him for the most part, but looking at this from the perspective of the organization shows that it simply cannot be done. Let's not leverage our past vs. our future. His happiness (or place on this team) will not be the difference between winning a superbowl or not.
pay him to shut him up. we are well under the cap. giving him an extra $1M this yr will not hurt us in any way. Nor does that make us committed to him. After this year, the mil goes away. no harm, no foul.
:up: For the sake of $1M , how much damage could an outspoken player do? The Jets FO have to evaluate if its going to be worth it in the long run. Bend don't brake here I think.
Maybe he did take a step back last year but he is still our best guard. BTW, I didn't see a single person on here saying he's taken a step back until he started this whole pay me more drama. WhiteShoeWillie can go to OTA's and take snaps too. Doesn't mean I'm any good at center. Who the hell is Wade Smith and is he any good. Kendall did a decent job at center when he had to fill in IMO. Fair enough but they're still not seasoned veterans and a little veteran leadership on the o-line is a good thing. It's not like they're going into their 3rd or 4th seasons and know everything there is to know about playing in the NFL. This is the most difficult part of the whole thing. Like I said in my original post that you didn't include in your quote it's most difficult because we haven't set the bar yet on people making demands like the Patriots have. I really feel like the small amount he's asking for given the circumstances isn't a big deal and wouldn't cause an issue if we had refused to pay big bucks under this regime so far. Unfortunately this looks like the first case and we're put in a really bad spot. Figuring out how to justify the raise without setting a precedent would be extremely difficult. Point taken.
Really, he does not have the level of value at this point to be a noise like he's threatening to become. If the Jets promised him they'd renegotiate again if he had a good year then I understand his upset, however if they didn't then he's just going to be a distraction. If they pay him then they'll have to deal with every other player on the roster who is earning a low base in the later years of a deal. When you sign a front-loaded contract you get more up front and less down the road. If the team decides to change that situation for less than an all-star caliber player they're going to a have a LOT of renegotiations put in their face down the road. Sign a contract, play for the contract. Nobody put a gun to your head.
He wins best guard b/c the guy opposite him is Brandon Moore. That's hardly much of a battle. Also, him being our best guard doesn't make him a great guard as compared to the rest of the NFL. I didn't complain about his degrading abilities b/c to be honest, there were bigger holes to fill and I will take a degrading veteran over some of our other issues. This new development changes things quite a bit though. Do you remember how many fumbles we had in the Center/Qb exchange when Kendall initially started at center. It was PAINFUL to watch that game, and most of the season for that matter. He looked very out of position, which is natural since it has been years since he played center (I think). Not going to say Wade Smith is a monster, but he was brought in as someone who can backup our center and guard positions, so hopefully he can do just that. Mangold did great as a rookie, so as long as he is healthy I'm not worried to much about having a veteran presence around him. Dbrick's issues seem to be more weight-related then technique-related or lifestyle-related so I doubt Kendall can influence that much either. Sure, they're not vets in there prime or anything, but now they know what how fast the game is on this level and what they need to do to have success in this league. Kendall's leadership is a good thing, but it isn't as valued a commodity as it was last year. Yeah I agreed with your last paragraph so I had nothing to comment on. In and of itself the money he wants isn't a big deal; down the road it presents issues though. It's not just difficult to give him a raise w/o setting that precedent, it's impossible! He's an aging vet with his best days behind him. Any young player under contract will use this as justification for them getting pay raises as well. For the organization, this is a lose/lose situation. Pay him and suffer in contract negotiations in the future or have him disrupt the team as he has a fit today, in the effort of getting cut, traded, or getting his pay raise. Of course, if he decides to be a good soldier and keep his issues to himself OR we trade him then we can get out of this situation. I wonder if we are examining this too closely, maybe he doesn't go mad at today's training camp? Guess we shall see.
I think we should pay him..I don't like how he has gone about this issue. It shows a bad example and a "comprimise" should be met..as long as we keep him...the position and leadership is to important to let him go
