I agree with not turning away top coaching prospects. I think Tanny has been great, but not at the price of Bill Cowher. He shouldn't be fired, but he is not our "franchise player" either.
Yeah but he put us in the cap situation to be able to spend money. There are a lot of teams in cap hell. Jets had a bad cap situation when he took over but he was patient and waited until last season to go on the spending frenzy WE ALL supported. You have no proof that it's the talent evaluators who are more responsible for these picks than Tannenbaum. That is a poor argument. That's like saying Terry Bradway (still with the team as Director of Scouting or some nonsense) is more responsible for our draft picks than Tannenbaum is.
Hmm.... strange twist. It's nothing at all like saying that. Logic tells us that the football people, and not the accountant, evaluated the talent we have acquired. Tannenbaum, to his great credit, found a way to pay for them and fit them into the cap. Again, I don't think that takes any great genius - especially in the age of the new television contract, when cap space took a wild jump. And, where 2010 and 2011 look to be uncapped years, I don't think free spending in 2008 was such a great big gamble. Good business, to his great credit. Again, no special talent.
He's done a good job though, right? And you're advocating he lose his job so that Cowher can bring in his own guy? Who is his own guy, exactly? What makes anyone think he'd do a better job than Tannenbaum? You don't fire a guy who's done a good job unless you're guaranteed someone who will do a better job. You fire people who do bad jobs, like Mangini.
So it doesn't even matter who Cowher's guy is, as long as we get Cowher as coach? What if Cowher's boy does a bad job and puts together a horrible roster? Will it then matter that Cowher is our coach?
I'd love a guy like Cower, but i'm not a big fan of a coach being the GM, also. I do think the coach should be able to tell the Gm which players he needs to run the team his way, but i think a coach should just worry about coaching.
Don't reduce the concept to the absurd. This isn't new. Assuming the proposal is to bring in someone with credentials, I don't think Tannenbaum has any particular talent that makes him indispensable. What Cowher seems to be asking is much what the Patriots do with Pioli and Belichick - a tandem of two like-minded football people, with final personnel decisions remaining with Cowher. I trust Bill Cowher more than I trust Tannenbaum on personnel. You wouldn't?
No, I wouldn't, because Tannenbaum has experience as a GM and has done a good job. Cowher is a good head coach that is overrated on this board because of his physical appearance. He made the playoffs 4 times in his final 9 seasons with Pittsburgh. You get 15 chances to win a Super Bowl with a well run team, you'll probably end up winning one eventually.
Yeah, nice article. Read one of the responses: However, your judgment of his record is DREADFUL. I must?ve missed how the signings of Pace and Woody were bad. HE TRADED ABRAHAM FOR MANGOLD. Mangold is a Pro Bowler this year. I must?ve missed Jane Abraham?s name on that list. The Favre thing didn?t work and Gholston has been slow to develop. Fine. Show me the GM with the perfect record. Ferguson was the 2nd alternate Tackle when Peters and Thomas were undeserving and got spots. He drafted pro bowler Leon Washington. He drafted pro bowler Darrelle Revis. He brought in pro bowlers Faneca and Jenkins. He took this running game from one of the worst in the league in 2006 and rebuilt it with 5 new players and made it one of the best. You weren?t telling us how bad the offseason was when the Jets are 8-3. So a five-game collapse when the team?s roster is flying high is the GM?s fault and not the coach?s? Tannenbaum put the pieces in place. Sure, not every move worked out. The Patriots spent high picks on Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson. EVERY team makes mistakes. This roster is more talented than the one he was given. That?s a fact.
It's unusual for a coach to remain with a team for 15 years and not have one Super Bowl to show for it. He also had quite a few years without even making the playoffs. Marty Schottenheimer never got that opportunity despite having similar regular season success.
Bradway is a fine scout- Tannenbaum's best skills seem to be being able to maneuver contracts so that the Jets have cap room flexibility. Why does he need to be a GM to have that role?
A false premise. List out all the coaches who have remained with the same team for 15 years (I'll even give you Shanny, who's close enough). In the modern NFL, you get a coach for less than five years. All the more reason not to piss away opportunity. The trouble for you doesn't seem to be Tannenbaum as much as it is Cowher. In your eyes, he's a mediocre coach. If we begin with that as the premise, then there's NO price you'd pay to get him, and all this talk about Tannenbaum and HIS value is folly.
There can never be an agreement on this issue because I don't think Cowher is very good, so of course I won't think it's worth rooting out a solid GM to bring him in. The arguments for Cowher is that he has won a Super Bowl, but so have Gruden, Vermeil, Shanahan, and Billick. Most of us wouldn't take those guys as the Jets head coach. Everyone is excited about the idea of Cowher because he won a Super Bowl, but he also never coached anywhere besides the cozy confines of Pittsburgh, which, as I've said many times, had an incredibly stable and successful regime. He's just as likely to not meet expectations here as other Super Bowl coaches have in their second stops. I'd be willing to take a chance on it anyway, but not at the cost of demoting a solid General Manager. That's what it comes down to, for me at least.
I think Tanny has done a good job as GM but if you are telling me it is Tanny and some coach or Cowher and some Pitt FO guys I'm going with Cowher and his guys without thinking twice about it.
Based on the 1-2-8 defense and the fact that they relied on Favre as the primary weapon stubbornly despite how erratic he was, I'm going to go with the coaching being the problem, not the personnel. 2007 was what we get when the personnel isn't right.
