For once I agree with you completely. And the Brady the arguments are kind of moot because nobody saw him coming like that and expected him to become elite. Boyd could be another guy like that. More than likely he won't be, but it's worth a stab at it, IMO, especially since we haven't determined a franchise QB yet.
All the pre-draft predictions on McDougle were round SIX at the earliest and possibly undrafted. He could have been had with any of the jets 4 picks in the 6th round. I hope he works out for the jets, but there was a lot more talented players available at that point in round 3.
Abysmal's attempt to redefine BPA to include needs was incorrect. BPA is what it says, taking the best available player at any position without regard to needs. Few if any teams will strictly follow BPA without factoring needs in but some will focus almost exclusively on need while others will stick closer to BPA within reason. I would say our first two picks were close to BPA while round three onward, need was the primary consideration for the Jets.
as I posted in the draft chat thread - at the end of the third round the three of the four teams that had committed the biggest reaches at that point included the Patriots, Seahawks and Ravens - so its clear that sticking to what a few internet writers think of as a players value (most of whom seem to copy one another and exhibit the worst kind of groupthink) is not a recipe for success
Abyzmal did not "attempt to redefine BPA," he simply posted an identical post by JohnnySD (while giving him credit). JohnnySD himself did not "attempt to redefine BPA," he posted what Bill Polian articulated when asked what BPA means on a radio program. You're assumption of what BPA means is incorrect.
Horseshit. It wasn't my attempt, it was Bill Polian, who I think knows a little more about how teams formulate their draft boards than you.
This Brady argument and what it has turned into is quite possibly the most irrelevant point ever made. No teams have crystal balls and "know" what a player is going to be. So debating over whether a single team could look into the future and draft a player based on where they "knew" he would go is pointless. No player was ever looked at as an all time great by one team and a 6th round backup by everyone else. So using that as fuel for this particular debate makes no sense. If you KNEW Brady was going to be what he is (which would require the ability to look into the future), you draft him one pick ahead of where the Patriots got him by trading into that spot, whatever it would have cost and load up on other positions prior to that. Debate over. The reality is that if a team feels a player is good enough for a particular spot, and doesn't feel that the player will be there when they come back up, then they take the player. This isn't fantasy football where we're all reading the same magazines and using the same obscure stats. These guys have REAL knowledge, and they value people completely differently. They have positional schemes and holes to fill that require certain types of people. When we play fantasy football, none of that comes into play. The Jets may have "reached" according to public perception (including mine), but if the guy turns out to be a player no one will care at all and they'll actually be lauded for having foresight.
If it's such a pointless argument there's probably no need to bring it up over 24 hours after it ended.
When a GM says he will pick BPA, does he mean "regardless of team needs", or "corrected to team needs?" I think it's the latter.
Seems to me the Jets were trying to draft as many high character guys as possible. Hope it works out.
Was aware of it Esq., good Counselor-thx, which prompted my facetious (comis) reference for him to NOT quit his "job within the Jet organization" …. and why JetNation06 should "just quit." ; )
