Bowles has to be careful where he sets the bar for 2017. If he really starts talking up playoff possibilities and the Jets go 6-10 he's going to get fired, even if he took 4-12 talent to 6-10. That's a result that will please nobody and Bowles will be held accountable for talking things up and for the fan reaction to not delivering on that. I have no idea what the Jets internal deliberations are but 6-10-ish would be the worst possible season they could have and I hope they're not aiming at winning as many games as they can squeeze out of a young relatively untalented roster.
So what you're saying is we need to push everyone that covers the Jets or talks to Bowles to continually ask him to speak about the playoffs so we can be rid of this clown.
What I'm saying is that when the owner is talking about having patience and the GM is drafting for 2018+ by making sure certain positions are covered and allowing other holes to exist, well you really don't want to be a head coach talking about the playoffs. At that point you're working against the grain and if you can't produce, well you're the easy fire if the natives get all riled up. Bowles should be talking about opportunity for young players to play and transitioning to a new offense with the WCO and setting the table for a good run in a year or two. All this playoffs talk is just trouble unless he can produce and with this roster that's a stretch.
This is one of the reasons why expanding the number of playoff games is a bad idea. Sure, it allows more fans to delude themselves that their team is a "playoff contender", and therefore increases profits, so of course there's no going back from this, but it allows teams to clear an artificially low bar and then claim they're better than they are. Yes, once in a while a wildcard team shocks everyone and wins a SB or WS, but that's an exception, due more to the "lose and out" format where a team can get hot and overcome the reality of their regular season record, than being a true championship caliber team. And I know that a lot of fans - maybe the majority - are happy to live in the delusion that their team is good because they made the playoffs, but for me, I don't care whether they make the playoffs, I want the championship, anything short of that isn't acceptable.
If Bowles is talking about the Jets making the playoffs this season, Mac and Woody should tell him to STFU or be fired now, even if they don't have anyone suitable to replace him. We don't need a delusional/insane HC. He isn't going to help build the team. If he is indeed talking about making the playoffs in the media, this just reinforced for me how clueless Bowles is, how he isn't the right HC for this team, and how much we need an experienced HC. I don't always agree with him, and he probably wouldn't take the job, but right now, I'm hoping that Woody will hire Gruden for next season even if he has complete control of the team and Mac has to report to him or is fired. At least I feel confident that Gruden knows how to evaluate QB play, how to handle QBs, and how to get good play from them.
Gruden would be nuts to take this job. But this underscores the real problem with this team: the owner is clueless. If he knew anything about football - and why doesn't he after all these years? - he wouldn't have had to hire consultants to tell him what GM and coach to hire. And he sure wouldn't have hired the coach before the GM, and then compounded that mistake by making them co-equals on the food chain. What he should've done - and still should do - is hire a proven winning football guy as Pres. of Operations and let him make the decisions, from GM all the way down. I doubt he would take it, but Mike Holmgren would be a good choice for this job.
I agree that Gruden would be nuts to take the Jets job, but you never know. He may miss coaching and the competition. He might relish the opportunity to try to develop Hack and/or Petty, or the QB the Jets draft next year. He might relish the opportunity to turn the Jets into a winner, particularly if Woody gives him complete control and makes him one of, if not the highest paid HC in the NFL.
Yet Bpwles bloviates about the playoffs. Buying his ticket out of town. You cannot run an NFL team from a NFL Head Coaching for Dummies book. When has he demonstrated the coaching talent to make a silk purse out of sow's ear?
when did bowles mention playoffs?serious question nvm found it. sounded like classic coach speak to a point blank question regarding play offs. a question i am guessing was asked to get bowles to have a quote on record about making the play offs. going with nothing to see here
Occam's razor, ever heard? What's more likely: FO saves shitload of $$ while slowly building a team. Or FO concocted some convoluted plan that involves saving $$ and trying to win more games by keeping them close.
Well technically speaking he did get 10 wins out of Ryan Fitzpatrick year one and then get 5 wins with Revis retiring on the field in front of him and no QB year two. Seriously, the 15 wins the Jets got the last two years is probably conservatively 3 wins more than they ought to have won. Whether that's Bowles or serendipity is unclear but the Jets don't usually get serendipity coming through for them so if he's sourced that it's unusual also.
J Gruden is a moron who never developed any young Qb in his life. Why would anyone want this guy coaching the Jets. His offense are boring , and he prefers older veterans to young players. This would be the worst possible move you can make. There is a reason why this guy will never coach again. It's better to let people think your some kind of genius , than get exposed for the fraud you're .
The argument against Gruden is that he's already made his bones in the NFL, with a long fairly successful run with the Raiders and then a SB win with the Bucs. What exactly does he have left to prove with the Jets? He'd be a superior choice compared to the guys we've had running the show since Parcells left town, but like Parcells he would be likely to bolt if trouble reared it's head and with the Jets trouble is always right around the corner.
Obviously, I totally disagree, and so do the Colts, Niners and Rams. They all offered him their HC job in January, but he turned them down. http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-gruden-rejected-nfl-staying-at-espn-2017-1 He was a good enough coach to not get in the way of what had been built in Tampa Bay and won a SB, didn't he? The Raiders team that he helped build went from a last place team to a team that made the playoffs 3 straight seasons and lost to the SB Champion Ravens in the AFC Championship game. Rich Gannon began the 4 best years of his career under Gruden. Coincidence? I think not. Gruden was also only 35 the first time the Raiders made the playoffs. I suspect he's learned something since then. The real problem is that according to the article at the link above, Gruden will not coach again because of the coaching restrictions in the new CBA.
People seem to forget he's also a QB killer, not a developer. He rolled more QB's through Tampa then the Jets have the last 5 years or so.
I don't know how many QBs rolled through Tampa at the time, but maybe it was because none of them were worth a shit. If Gruden was such a QB killer, then why did Rich Gannon's career turn around under Gruden? Take a look at Gannon's career stats/arc. http://www.nfl.com/player/richgannon/2500754/profile Gruden obviously helped Gannon put it all together. Also, why has Gruden become sort of a known QB expert/guru, if he was such a QB killer?
Gruden may be the only coach in history to get a team to a sb and coach against them in the same game. He took dungy's bucs over the hump while his former raider team barry switzered their way to face him. It was obvious during the game that it was exactly the same playbooks as when gruden left.
