Wilson was hyped up by the Jets to be the second coming of Revis Christ. The kid needs time. He will NOT be a Gholston.
There's no sugarcoating it. The Jets 2010 draft looks like a complete disaster so far. In fact, I was thinking that the last impact player we drafted on the Defensive side was probably David Harris!
I wouldn't call it a disaster. A disaster is not one player being active for games. Everyone minus Ducasse has a really small role. This class is basically out of the norm for a Tanny draft class. They'll come around.
Oh I don't think he will. I'm just stating that my credibility in assessing a players potential isn't that great lol.
It's no different than when 1st round QBs drafted in the draft get compared for the rest of their career. Plus I think Jet nation get upset anytime the Patsies end up getting the better end of any scenario regardless of how it played out. McCourty has really been a surprise to me; he has far exceeded what I expected from his rookie season. I must be Bellicheck factor. Jackson has looked worse than Wilson which says a lot. Not so sure he has the talent you talk about to become a very good CB. He reminds me a lot Lowery when he came in the league. He has a lot better technique than you would expect from a first year player but just sometimes gets physical unmatched. You are always dogging Robinson. IMO I think when it's all said and done he will end up being the one of best of the 1st round CBs definitely better than Wilson and Jackson. Prior to the season, I would have said better than McCourty too but not so sure anymore. And he has not been aweful. After he got out from under Greg Williams' doghouse early in the season he's been decent. He started a few games and has contributed at the nickel spot.
Jackson isn't being physically outmatched, he's always getting caught looking into the backfield. That's poor technique. Kareem Jackson was the second most physically gifted corner in 2010's draft behind only Joe Haden. He was a huge reason why Alabama's defense was so damn good in 2009. He's nothing like Dwight Lowery. Lowery has a completely different build, which allows him to play a completely different style of football. Dwight Swipe played a ton of safety at SJSU - the Spartans' coaching staff stuck him at corner because they were so undermanned and untalented. Kareem Jackson played for the best defense in college football against the best talent in college football. Toast Robinson is bad. That's why I "dog" him. I'm not going to label anyone out of 2010's draft a bust yet. Robinson was just constantly man-handled and burned at the college level. He only started because both Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter were injured. ...and please do not put my name in front of something you've said. That's insulting.
you have to admit though. the shit rex was selling...people were buying it. maybe he didnt realize QB's would have 5 seconds to throw the ball.
Not surprisingly; I disagree. The games I've seen, guys were just running by him even on obvious passing situations. He'll show good technique with his backpedal and transition but still get beat clean. I think the great Alabama front may have made him appear better than he actually is. His great "physical gifts" have not translated at all. Often times being "physicall gifted" allows a CB to get by even with poor technique but that has somehow has escaped Jackson. Never mention build but thanks for pointing that out. He reminds me of Lowery in terms of technique and instincts. Both seem as if they were well coached prior to entering the NFL. And now he's been a major contributor to one of the worst defenses in the NFL certainly the worst secondary. So was he the reason why the Bama defense was so good or was it more because of McClain, Cody and company? This maybe all true but if you watch NFL tape of their rookie seasons you would think Wilson and/or Jackson were the ones that were constantly man-handled and burned at the college level. I know why he started. That still doesn't change the fact that he played pretty well when he did. He had a rough outing against Dallas but had a pretty decent rookie season, definitely NOT "aweful" like you claimed. Maybe you were still thinking about his college days. Sorry fixed it; you know I never want to insult you:sad:
Not surprisingly, I highly doubt you pay that much attention to Kareem Jackson. I'm not saying I do, but he gets beat because of mistakes and inexperience. Houston's pass rush is pretty bad, even with Mario Williams. That entire defense was good. Rolando McClain was the most important player on their defense, but losing both Javy Arenas and Kareem Jackson hurt their pass defense. I didn't say you mentioned build. Unlike Alabama, SJSU has terrible coaching. I actually watched both Wilson and Jackson a lot in college. They were rarely beat. Patrick Robinson on the other hand was very medicore in coverage. Patrick Robinson's done absolutely nothing this season. I don't see how you can say he's played well. He's played against a bunch of rookie quarterbacks and immediately lost his as soon as Jabari Greer was healthy again. If he was so good, they'd start him. Gregg Williams doesn't trust him. He never got out of the doghouse - he was just their best option when Greer and Porter went down. The Saints went 3-3 during that time period. They six games in a row once their opening day starters were healthy again.
You know what? Forget everything I just said. Let's do this: This is still one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in the draft forum.
I guess a lot of you thought Mario Williams was a bust, huh? D'Brick, too? Give these kids some time. They're fucking rookies on a team filled with vets.
I agree anyone who states that someone is a bust during their rookie season is a fucking moron. The class as a whole has been a bit underwhelming, but their positions are loaded with talent.
Jackson is hard to miss. He's been Otis Smith like. I moved to Chicago a couple years ago so I was forced to get the NFL package in order to ensure I not miss any Jet games. I have a friend of mine who is a huge Saints fan that comes over a lot to watch their games. I've had a chance to see Robinson play a lot he's looked like a future starter when given the opportunity. And if starting was the measure of how good a season a rookie had than Jackson would be the best of the bunch while Wilson would be the worst. http://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...e-week-patrick-robinson-a-coming-of-age-story "PLAYER OF THE GAME: You had to search pretty hard to find one on the Saints sideline, but Patrick Robinson was certainly deserving. The rookie cornerback was on the spot, making his first career start for the injured Tracy Porter. He responded with a solid game, leading the Saints in tackles and recording a pass breakup. " http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/105984943.html "Robinson, who recorder four tackles and broke up a pass in his return after being inactive, registered a team-high eight tackles and broke up a pass in his first start..." "He's been playing well lately..." http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/patrick-robinson "When the first-round draft pick didn’t play a lot early in the year, it was understandable. The Saints were bringing him along slowly because they had Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter and Randall Gay. When each of those players suffered various injuries, Robinson got some playing time and showed some promise." http://www.personalinjurysync.com/i...ury-tracy-porter-returns-for-saints-fanhouse/ The Saints could use Porter and Greer this Sunday because rookie Patrick Robinson, who was improving at cornerback with all the injuries http://pathtothedraft.com/?tag=nfl-draft-path "Patrick Robinson looked like a rookie with glimpses of greatness in his debut last night vs the New England Patriots. There is no doubt that Robinson had rookie moments against #1′s in the 1st and 2nd quarter as he had trouble guarding slot receiver Julian Edelman who finished the game with 6 catches for 90 yards. But as the game ticked on, Robinson became more comfortable and showed why the Saints drafted him with the 32nd overall pick in the 1st round. Robinson began breaking on balls …" http://www.articlesbase.com/direct-mail-articles/randall-gay-placed-on-ir-by-saints-3515345.html "Patrick Robinson, who has made significant strides since early in the season..."
^ Every single one of those news articles is from a Louisiana paper. They're biased towards the Saints. The Path to the Draft article is from a blog. You may as well post a Wes Bunting article - it'd be just as credible. It was also written during the pre-season. Wait a second. Did you even read these things? I'll quote ESPN's Pat Yasinskas here:
This draft class has so far blew chunkz but i disagree with connor being a "gimmick" hes playing behind a great veteran full back in T-rich, He will get his time next season and will flourish. As for everyone else its off to a really bad start.
I have to laugh at the "loaded with talent" comments when the talent consists of Drew Coleman, Dwight Lowery and Matt Slauson/Wayne Hunter. My point is that if Wilson or DuCasse were even remotely ready to play in the NFL, they should have easily see more playing time than any of these stiffs (with the exception of Slauson who has played well after a slow start). As far as McKnight, I don't know why Schottenheimer cannot find a role for him in the Offense. Of course Greene and LT should get most of the touches but it seems like McKnight would be a good change of pace. Maybe we'll need to give him away to the Patriots to find out what he's capable of.
Not going to join the individual argument but when you fail to address one of your deficiencies in the draft i.e pass rush / dline and secondary then it is a disappointment. Whether these players come good in time we can only judge in 12-18 months but for now with regards to any impact this season the draft class has been a huge letdown. You have to expect/hope at least 1-2 of your draft class can crack the starting line up and perform. We are not talking all star just someone who can outperform lowery/coleman and cole
