what do you care? you are always telling us Manning is overrated.. But seriously No draft prospect is ever bigger than an organization. This was a case of a prospect trying to push around the Jets.
1)why else would he leave? 2) BB's deal gave him that authority. how can we complain about Kraft doing to us what we did to him w/ Parcells in the first place? NE got the last laugh.
this is where that reading comprehension stuff comes in. Manning is overrated but he's still an all time great. Manning wasn't look to push anyone around, he just wanted to know he'd be the #1 pick coming out, a reasonable request based on the type of prospect he was and BP would have taken him but for some stupid reason he wouldn't tell him that.
I find it funny to read all the speculations above. I read that article and didn't know 90% of any of that. How all of you figured it out way back then is amazing!!! Shame you didn't write this book before this other guy did! Having put a spot of good ole' fashion Gang Green sarcasm into my post... I don't bemoan ANY of what any of those folks did, other than Weis...that was a sniveling little snake in the grass play he did at that meeting...and let me tell you...Karma is biting him in the ass right now! Freshly unemployed from his 2nd or 3rd COLLEGE head coaching gig...and he'll be lucky if he sees another NFL coordinator position at this point. That ship has sailed. He'll be coaching Div II/III ball or in High School before too long. I can easily see Belichick being uneasy to have Parcells hovering in the background...easily. All the other people were simply pawns etc... I think the only thing I would have done differently, at the time, would have been to retain Groh as DC and give Henning the HC job. But that's just me... Now, I will say this...Belichik better retire the minute Brady does...because if he lingers for another 10 years or so his "hall of fame" status will take a tremendous hit. I think Belichick is nothing without Brady. With a normal team his Cleveland days are much more the "norm." But that's just me...
are you for real here or are you just taking belichick's side to mess with me? Why else would belichick leave? I laid it out for you. He had Kraft there for him the whole fucking time. And to your last point - exactly, Parcells/NYJ fucked Kraft over so Kraft/Belichick returned the favor.. Parcells could've retired to the Bahamas never to have anything to do with NFL football again and Belichick would've "resigned as HC of the NYJ" because he was working behind the scenes with Kraft all along.... as a Jets fan our dog in this fight is Parcells...the guy who came here when we were a laughing stock. Not the guys who backstabbed our organization working with the owner of a division rival to fuck us over. But I guess you feel differently?
he was promised power here and wasn't going to get it. If BP left the building and handed everything to BB he would have stayed here, we would have had Brady and we'd have been a dynasty. BP killed us longterm. He walked into a great situation and couldn't care less about our future. he thought he'd win here and leave a hero but that didn't work out and he cost us BB, Peyton and Brady.
Not a fucking chance in hell Belichick stays here. Belichick screws this organization over and then gets lucky with a 6th round pick and both of that is Parcells fault? Why stop there? There are numerous other stretches you could make that are just as ridiculous. Why not blame him for Leon Hess' death? Lets put this guy in prison. and - he came into a great situation? you call yourself a Jets fan? pre-Parcells was a great situation around here?
he absolutely would have stayed here. again, I appreciate him turning us into winners. All time great coach but as an exec he screwed us. -cost us Manning -cost us Belichick -cost us Brady -left us in cap hell -drafts were atrocious he walked into a perfect situation for him. boatload of talent w/ awful coaching before he got here. he knew he could coach them up and have them contending immediately. The cupboard was stocked w/ talent. Just b/c we sucked doesn't mean we didn't have talent.
Great Post The revisionist historians will not like it, but these are the facts...and there is nothing in Bellichick's career, since this point that in any way infers he is anything but a lying POS. Oh, BTW, I can't say for sure with Manning, but there's no way Brady would have developed as a QB here unless Herm could 've come up with a cheating scheme as good as Belichick's
Belichick hit the lottery when he got Brady, never rebuilt the defense that Parcells put in place in New England. Not a bad coach but not the genius he is made out to be. In game though he does do a good job making adjustments, have to give him that.
so BB is a lying POS but BP isn't? interesting. No one is arguing what BB did wasn't a scumbag move but sometimes you have to look out for yourself and clearly looking back he made the right move and he left for his own reasons, one of them being BP hovering over him and not giving him the power he was promised.
I am a BP fan, I am not biased against him in any way. I deal in reality, I can talk honestly about players/coaches that I like. Nice argument as usual.
O true, I just cant really comment to much on Belichick because I started watching since 2004. Never saw him when he was winning championships, I still believe its more Brady......
Parcells may or may not be a lying POS. I did not agree with all of his moves, but I don't buy the current spin on the Peyton drafting. Regardless, he made an agreement with Leon Hess, and lived up to it. It was his plan to set the Jets up for the next 10 years. BB was part of the plan. BB lied and weasled his way out of it. And he lied to Leon Hess and took his $$ under false pretenses. If that's what you excuse as "looking out for yourself", then so be it. But as I said, since that time, there's nothing that BB has done, both on the field and off, that denies the fact that he is indeed a lying POS.
