Pat Kirwan says we have the worst QBs in the NFL

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  1. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    um did you see the raiders-saints game saturday.no way denver can be worse than that
     
  2. legler82

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    Sheesh tough crowd. How do you get put on the bubble after just one year?
     
  3. JetsFan

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    "Sanchez is going to be solid one day, but he will struggle to win games this year and no one else at the position has distinguished himself enough to challenge the rookie. Three QBs on a team with one experienced receiver is not good."

    I wouldn't say the guy is wrong. When your team has a rookie starting which in the past hasn't been good for many teams and all your QBs combined have 8 starts between them it's hard to argue.
     
  4. sec314

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    Pat Kirwan si great on Sirius NFL. THis is just a #'s thing. Who cares, moving forward we might have the best rookie QB in the NFL and with Ainge as our # 2 next year, we might have the best one/two young QB's in the league
     
  5. JetsFan

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    My eightball says, "outlook is good"

    Ainge will be our #2 next year and we will sign a FA or draft a QB in rounds 6-7 for #3 QB.

    Clemens will be out of football in three years.
     
  6. Br4d

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    When you have a full season at 53.9% accuracy, which is what his 16 starts have produced, there's a real question as to whether or not you can produce at a high enough level in the NFL to be a positive QB.

    This is not 1985 with CB's with stickum all over their gloves, bumping and running with their guys all the way down the field. The rules have created a game in which the QB is favored to complete passes and most new starting QB's who ultimately succeed are able to complete at a higher rate than the numbers Russell has thrown up so far. Almost every year there is a QB somewhere who is completing passes at the same rate that the all-time record holders did 20 years ago.

    There is one guy who seems to have made it just fine with a lower than expected completion rate, that being Eli Manning. You can look at his success and say that things are changing a bit or you can just say that the Giants are a very strong team right now and he can get away with some things that others cannot. I lean towards #2 while respecting the fact that he does have a ring and he was a big part of why the Giants got it.

    If Russell is still completing below 56% of his passes in a year or two the odds are he was a failed pick. Because that level of achievement is not going to help the Raiders win much.
     
  7. Sundayjack

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    It's a flawed fahking formula. First, it would be more accurate if you factored in injury history. So, where Peyton Manning has almost NEVER been injured and you never even have to think about Jim Sorgi, the Colts would be at the top of the list. Second, the object is winning a championship and not just climbing a ranking. So, just about every flipping team in the league blows the season when they lose their number one quarterback. Why play around with phantom backup rankings?

    If you're playing with projections, I can name about a dozen mediocre quarterbacks where, if Mark Sanchez is merely average, he'd be considered a better quarterback. You shouldn't subtract from the number one guy just because the number two guy sucks. It's a flawed ranking. There are no points for being just serviceable. Why a former personnel guy would play around with such idiocy is beyond me.
     
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    He is wrong. Even though Sanchez hasn't done anything in a real game, I think we are looking better than TB....but not sure who else we're in better shape than. After a few weeks I am sure he'll have changed his tone.
     
  9. AbdulSalam

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    It is a questionable ranking formula. Basically its an overall ranking of a team's depth. It doesn't tell you very much though. For example Brady is the best QB in football - the pats rank 10th b/c Brady got hurt last yr and b/c Walter is unproven. But if Brady stays healthy - then the Pats are No. 1 and nobody cares if the eagles or the cards have depth b/c Brady is better than mcnabb, vick, warner or leinart.

    Moreover ranking the boys no. 3 is fng ludicrous. romo hasn't done squat even though he's supposed to be great and kitna on the sidelines is not going to mean much if the boys can't catch the ball.

    So the rankings formula is weird and the rankings themselves are of questionable validity but I sort of like that he is saying the Jets suck... F him. Id like to see Schooty and Sanchez and KC and DA get this posted on their lockers tomorrow morning.
     
  10. Harpua

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    After a few weeks he'll have a small sample of work to review Sanchez on.

    The listing is done on the ability of the QB's to operate an NFL offense. At this point we have no proven guy who can on our roster. From that stand point we should be very low. After a few weeks those numbers will start to change around.
     
  11. NDmick

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    he plays for the Raiders.


    the proof is in the pudding.
     

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