Cant agree with you here WB. You answered it yourself. No, its not helping our young OL by having defenses not have to worry about the deep part of the field. Isnt it much harder to get a running game going when you have a stacked line and linebackers cheating up 2 to 3 yards in the box? CB's and safteys cheating up towards the line of scrimmage?
His timing is off? He is completing 77% of his passes, has 5 TDs and only 2 INTs, and his QB rating is over 100....please....
I was on the other side last week, saying his game was being vastly overrated by the fans.... You look at that game, and it, essentially, was the same game he had vs New England, with the only difference being the competition.... Conservative, game management.... And My argument then was, that those kinds of games do not beat the good teams.... You play a team like Miami, and you pass that way, you might eek out a win... You play anyone who's not putrid on both sides of the ball, and you lose.... And if you aren't PERFECT running that offense, you're not beating anyone... Not even the Buffalo Bills...
He played 6 good games about 7 years ago. It got him a 60 million dollar contract and a pass for life.
I know you are not a hater GG...but I couldnt have said it any better. The defenders need to read this post..perhaps put it under their pillow at night.
You can't compare his completion percentage and ratings with any other QB in the league when most of his passes are behind the line or 5 yards down field. Actually both those numbers should be higher with the type of passes he throws. What is his completion percentage on passes over 20 yards?
I don't care what is numbers are at this point... the end of the road for me was when he nearly got Cotch killed for the 12th time this season...
Jill knows best --- I got a chance to read some of the other posts - and I saw Jillozzo's posting on page 5 and he's right on target. It's not that Chad can tackle or rush the passer or that the running game is 100% his fault. However, as Jill so sharply pointed out, each weakness magnifies and intrudes on the other. Without a deep threat, it is more difficult to run the football. Without a running game, we have to control the clock with a short passing game. With a short passing game, the team needs to be nearly perfect every possession to have any chance to score points. If you can't score points, you put more pressure on the defense and so on and so on and so on... The bottom line is, ONE of the big problems facing the Jets (not the only problem at this point) is the lack of a deep threat or quick strike/score passing game. The teams that are undefeated in the NFL all have the deep threat - Indianapolis, New England, Dallas and Green Bay. If your quarterback, no matter how tough, smart, etc. cannot provide the deep threat - the defense will cheat, making their job 100-times easier.
I don't know that number, but I can tell you he had 4 incompletions over ten yards yesterday, and 5 competitions over 10 yards........ So that made him 5/9 further than 10 yards, and 27/30 shorter than 10 yards...
one more thing - please stop the Pro-Chad Anti-Chad based on stats or toughness or anything else. The guy has proven he has a HUGE HEART and more brains than any QB I've seen quarterback our team. It's not about the contract - we can debate that in another thread. Bill Parcells put it best when he said the quarterback's job is to make touchdowns...no matter how why or what. Because of his limitations, Pennington cannot make enough touchdowns game in and game out, week in and week out, for the Jets to be a contender. As much as Pennington is head and shoulders above Vinny Testeverde in so many ways - one of the reasons the Jets contended under Vinny was the deep threat and quick strike. Period...end of story. Other teams had to respect Vinny's arm and the deep ball, opening up more holes for Curtis Martin and allowing the Jets to run the football. Running successfully helped the defense rest - and there you have it - the Jets were contenders. Again, Vinny probably had more weapons on both sides of the ball, but the theory is true. You can't throw deep, you limit your team...
I'll take that one step farther. The Jets play a prevent offense. They run the ball up the middle on first and second down even though there isn't a single player on the OL that can run block so they are always stopped or thrown for a loss. On 3rd and long they throw a screen or a 5 yard dink that they hope the receiver can somehow make into a third down and then they kick. Is it all Pennington's fault, no. Would things be better if somebody could accurately throw the ball down field, of course. At this point Washington should get more carries then he is. He has the quickness to get outside and then turn upfield where Jones doesn't. Our franchise RB got a whole 35 yards against freaking Buffalo. What does that tell you about this line?
Again, I ask every Chad supporter: What did you see in that 2 minute drill that should make me have faith in Chad Pennington?
Yes, for the most part.... He actually had two more that reached exactly 10 yards, but I excluded them because neither went further than 2 yards in the air, and they were strictly YAC yards.... I mean, we can be generous and give him 7 beyond 10 yards, but those 2 were not any fault of his own (one 2 yard dump over the middle, where Jones made people miss, and the Smith screen)
For some reason I have allowed myself to be deluded that there might just be one exciting deep ball from Chad before each and every game he has started. I want more than YAC or I am going to yack.
Yes, his timing is off. Watch his throws. You can't measure timing by completion percentage, not when most his throws yesterday were dump offs. He's generally able to complete passes in the 7-12 yard range based on timing patterns and by leading his receivers. Yesterday, however, he let his receivers take shots worse than usual. He threw balls into empty space because he missed the timing of a pattern. And he threw 2 picks because he used only his sense of timing and not any visual recognition. He's off. Having said that, I've been advocating his start this week. He's had bad games and followed them with good games in the past. However, yesterday was one of his worst, if not the worst.
Absolutely nothing. I did see a good 2 minute drill run last week, and I am willing to give him another shot. Yesterday was perhaps his worst game as a Jet, though.
I've got to say I'm drifting to the darkside. I defended chad all week but if we see any more games like this, I'm not sure I can do it anymore. Dink and dunk has always been chad's gameplan but he used to at least keep defenses honest by attempting 2-3 deep strikes and several 10-20 yard throws a game. He never had a strong arm but it was good enough for him to loft the ball 40 yards and hit jonathan carter in stride. As frustrating as it was to watch at times, I felt that his skillset gave us a great shot at winning. with his great accuracy and timing, he could march the offense down the field without taking any major risks and if teams tried to stack the box and stop him, he had enough arm to make them pay for it. I'm just not sure after 2 surgeries if he's capable of that anymore and that's a big problem. without any deep threat a bad D like buffalo will be able to "bend but not break" against us and a good D will be able to blitz every down, jump routes etc. with the safties playing 5 yards off the line, there really won't be any hope for our rb's to average more than 3.5 yards a carry or for our receivers, if they don't get killed first, to get any YAC. Chad can still intelligently manage a game and efficiently move the offense down the field but with our D not playing well that's just not going to be enough to get anywhere, especially if Chad turns the ball over a couple of times like he did yesterday. I still hold out hope that he proves in the next week or two that his arm isn't totally ruined but if he isn't physically capable of opening up the field for the offense then I'm now of the opinion that the Kellen Clemens era needs to begin.
I cant really blame anyone else for the two picks that changed the game in favor of our opponent! 1st one turned into pints for the other team (Oh Thats right thats the defenses fault) The other ended the game (Oh yeah thats right its The defender that had the the play dialed in ) 5 yard passes are pretty easy to step in front of !
