Pennington Haters are Unreal

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  1. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    At least you put in the proper disclaimer at the end. For a second I thought you actually wanted to use factual evidence in a serious manner to support the point. We can't have that.
     
  2. ollie

    ollie Right Wing NutJob

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    Well there's facts and "Junkian fact" ... depends which side of the force you're on
     
  3. chinopec

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    Junc is like that guy who loves britney spears. No matter what she does its everyone elses fault. When is junc youtube video coming out? lol Leave CHAD f**king alone hahahahha gaf
     
  4. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Quoted for truth.

    I love Chad. But at the same time, I hate Chad because he's too limited for us to win with the team we have. Like I've said before, if we can get a dominant running game, he can be a great part of a ball control offense to go with a great defense. But name me another team with a great running game and a great defense. Maybe San Diego? Maybe New England?

    He could be Trent Dilfer on a Super Bowl team. He was likeable, too, and like Chad, he wasn't a great quarterback. If Chad had a 2000 yard rusher and a great defense, we could go 14-2. But he doesn't, and it's nearly impossible to do because there is zero way Chad can lead a team to the SB by himself offensively.
     
  5. jcjet

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    EXACTLY...it's always his fault.
     
  6. Beamen

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    Chad had .3 seconds to throw? It was a timing route.... Chad didn't even take a drop.. He opened up PUMP FAKED TO A WR SURROUNDED BY 3 DEFENDERS, and then threw it anyway.... A terrible throw, BTW....

    He said in his post-game press conference that he was trying to throw it away.... If he can't even get the ball in the infinite amount of space OFF THE FIELD when he's trying to, there's an issue...
     
  7. ollie

    ollie Right Wing NutJob

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    Same here... I love Chad... He's a smart, tough, team first player... he just doesn't have it anymore...It's obviously his last year here... so let Kellen take his hits... Chad will end up on the Bears next year and prolly do well... I hope he does...I think you put him on that team now with that defense and his smarts they go to back to the SB.. he's just not right for this team anymore... What you Chad sunshiners need to understand is it's not personal
     
  8. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    That's the problem now. For them, it is.
     
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    I'm going to make it simple.

    This. Team. Is. No. Longer. Built. For. Chad's. Success.

    There's a reason why this team was so successful and perfect for Chad in 2002 and 2004. It was an excellent fit for our QB. We had a solid defense that kept the other team from scoring a lot of points, that was kept off the field by long, clock-killing drives thanks to a running game able to succeed because of a good offensive line. Chad doesn't need a flashy RB. He doesn't need solid weapons at receivers. He needs a good defense that limits mistakes and allows him to not play catch up. He needs a line to allow him to move the ball up the field with good run blocking that allows his workhorse back to get yards, even if they're not on huge, flashy scampers.

    We don't have that any more. We have a defense that's susceptible to those long, clock killing drives. We have a line that can't run block. We have a team that doesn't get turnovers and doesn't seize opportunities. Chad's not right for that. And yet, we're still running a gameplan as if we have those things. It's not going to be successful. Unfortunately, until they build a new offensive gameplan, neither would Clemens running the same offense. As long as they insist on running this offense, Chad's our best shot. I agree, though, that's not very comforting.
     
  10. johnnysd

    johnnysd Well-Known Member

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    Holy f&*K !! Can Chad EVER be at fault for anything or do anything poorly in your eyes?? Unbelievable. This team will continue to struggle until Chad is benched. It is just that simple. We will likely be 1-5 so maybe we get Clemens before our bye. But really, you are clearly more of a Chad fan than a Jets fan. When we win it is all Chad. When we lose, it was anything BUT Chad. Problem is Chad SUCKS.
     
  11. FOURTHANDLONG

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    How can Chad be our best option when we have to score points because our defense is not strong? You admit that Chad is not right for this team yet you still say he is our best option? Our best option for what? We have to go 9-3 to even have a shot at the playoffs. If Clemens comes in the offense would be changed to suit his skill set. They let Clemens throw the ball in the 4th qtr in Baltimore and he has more 20 yard passes in 1 qtr than Chad has all year. Do you still think this team has a shot? Is that why you want Chad in?
     
  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Excellent post, although it will be skipped for the most part because the first paragraph strikes too close to home for a lot of the fanboys that would rather hero-worship than bother to burden themselves with certain unfortunate realities of this team.
     
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    Learn to read.

    I said until we give Clemens the right gameplan, he's not going to be successful either. They opened it up in the 4th quarter of the Baltimore game, which was much too late. If they insist on using the gameplan that was developed for Chad Pennington, the Jets will continue to lose and you'll do damage to a great young QB by not utilizing his strengths in your offense. I don't think this team has a shot with Chad. I made that pretty clear.

    You insist the offense would be changed to suit his skill set. Why didn't it happen against Baltimore? I'd like to think that they're in the process of introducing new plays from Schotty's book in practice, but I've seen no evidence of that. I want Clemens to play, but only if they're willing to commit to his success.
     
  14. FOURTHANDLONG

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    In Baltimore the Jets tried to Keep is close in hopes of winning on a Fg or Raven Mistake the way Chad wins. With that Defense most teams don't come in with the idea to air it out all over the field. At least not at the point of the season when we played them. When we got behind Clemens had to throw and the Cs found out he can. Do you really think the Cs will start him with a Dink and Dunk gameplan next time.
     
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    They sure should. Baltimore's run defense is much better than its pass defense. 4th to 22nd. With the exception of Ed Reed, their best players on defense are up front.

    As far as your question, I honestly don't know. I don't have much faith in the decision making of the CS right now. That's why I used hypotheticals. IF they develop a gameplan for Kellen, he should start. What I said was, if they have failed to do that, Chad should keep starting rather than bring Kellen into a situation in which he'd be less than successful. I'd like to think the CS is smarter than that, but they haven't been showing it yet this season. My approach to the QB situation is entirely based on the situation the CS puts the QB in.
     
  16. FOURTHANDLONG

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    As much as I want Chad out I totally agree Clemens should be bought in at the right time. Maybe Oct 21 against Cincinnati. The question is when is the right time?
     
  17. skipper

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    I am onother who is not a Chad hater but feel the time for a change is now. I agree with all of those who have praised Chad for what he's done and the leadership he has given this team. The question now is about preparing his successor. With the defense we have at this point it is fairly obvious we are not a playoff team this year. It is also well known that a quarterback has a steep learning curve and cannot come in and be great right off the bat. We need to see what we havein KC. Is he the one to lead us into the future? I don't know and neither does anyone else, coaches included. He needs to play at least a half a season before that question is answered and we need to have that answer before the end of this season so that the teamm can decide their direction for 08.

    Chad does not have the arm strength to move the team the way it has to be moved. All the smarts and leadership in the world cannot make up for that. It's like giving the opposing defense a twelfth man on the field if they don't need to keep a "center fielder" back in case one of our receivers tricks or outruns their cover man. Part (and I emphasize part) of our troubles in the running game is due to the stacking of the defenses againts the run because they don't fear the pass. But all of this has been said a million times on this board.

    The point now is to get KC ready for next year or find out that he isn't the answer and go in onother direction - free agency, draft or trade - since it has become crystal clear to all but the blind that Chad is no longer the long term answer for this team. He is a good guy, a good leader and a tough player, but he is not capable of taking the Jets further than they have gone in his best years. And we want more than that.
     
  18. Bizprof

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    I still don't understand it. He's likeable so we should settle for his mediocre play? I'm a nice guy. I speak PC fluently. Can I play Qb then?

    FOlks I'm tired of 10-6 as a best case scenario and another playoff loss.
     
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    The right time is as soon as he feels confident running his own offense. Not Chad's. Watching the Baltimore game, I got the feeling that this CS had no idea Kellen could be starting this season. They misjudged the season and now have to prepare what should have been prepared in the offseason.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I guarantee you more people like me here than you, no one even knows who you are. I make the board interesting b/c I know what I'm alking about and don't follow the mob mentality on here.

    It wan't a timing route, Chad didn't even have time to setup and throw. It was a bad decision to throw where he was throwing but he was hit as he was throwing and he didn't take much time to throw.

    But isn't Kellen's strong arm supposed to open up the running ame? I don't have time this moring but I'll dig deeper into those #s for you tomorrow to show you the real story.
     

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