Didn't he give up 0 sacks? Maybe I'm mistaken. But yeah, I don't think losing Slauson is going to hurt the Jets that much. He will probably be more helpful for the Bears. Good luck in Chicago Slauson!
The Jets have had Slauson on the team long enough to know all about him, his limitations, and up side. Slauson was a starter and would not sign with anyone as a backup, including the Jets. To extend Slauson is to lock 20% of our O-Line into mediocrity for the duration of his contract. We did not bring Idzik in here to maintain a mediocre team. Edit: I don't recall any tweets from Mangold blasting the Jets for letting a star walk off.
I am a grown up, so I don't really mind that you like to argue with me, even if you tend to use straw men too often. But then I get to call you out for doing so, so you see why I don't mind. I concede that I question whether VD is starter material, and you seem to be saying you are comfortable with the notion that he is. But before we get to that, the background here, I think, is that Slauson, as I have said and as I AGREE WITH YOU ON, is not a quality player. So wouldn't that mean VD is NOT a quality player by your own account? So why should we feel great about VD starting? THis is already a team with a weak RT, and as discussed both earlier and below, Moore is also likely a goner. So the Plan B I referred to is to start VD at Slauson's position? Hey, that sounds great. My point at least at this time, and on this thread, was that the Jets should invest in the OL with a high pick at OG. I also mentioned Colon is fragile. Your argument is that a study showed VD to be more or less as good as Slauson. So that means what? The Jets do not have to worry about Moore's departure as well? Colon is not fragile? You mentioned they could pick up someone else. Well yeah, but how? Draft or FA? (Imo, that is the real point of discussion here.) Back to VD and Slauson. First of all, playing less than a third of the snaps makes me question just how valuable a direct comparison between them based on snaps is. It doesn't address how VD would do as a starter, and playing a lot more downs. In fact it arguably gave VD a leg up, because while Slauson's rhythm would be broken by substitutions, VD was being rested more but was still getting playing time. I understand the reasons for the substitution pattern, btw. The question here instead is how VD compares. But that is not the only point, since as should be obvious, VD was the main backup at OG. So if he starts, who fills that role? Who fills Moore's role? Colon? All season? And of course Slauson was Mangold's main backup, and VD has never played Center. So that's another issue. Add it all up, you can disagree with me all you want, but the Jets are going to be weaker at OL unless they add more than is present on the roster. You seem to think so, too. So the question is how they do so. I think they should get a quality rookie in there with a high draft pick.
It may have been a bit of a cap move, since VD is still under his rookie contract. But if VD starts all year, it may take more money to extend him. There's some if's there, and of course the good news is that if VD plays better this year, well, he plays better and SHOULD get more money than Slauson would have gotten. But I don't think playing VD instead of Slauson is doing anything other than maintaining mediocre play at that position.
I think he was an undervalued player for us. not the best guard but he wa slightly above average imo. We cant have stars at every position. Guess he wanted to much money
Yea I think he will start this year unless we draft someone in the higher rounds. We took him in the 2nd so lets see what hes got. Hopefully we get something out of him and isnt a complete bust. He did play well on run plays, i guess we will wait to see what dookie can do
well the jets could have the best left side in football now if they insert warmack between mangold and brick. hey i can dream cant I.
the thing i remember about slauson is that he was picked by the jets without watching any tape on him.... i remember hearing MT say that he was their 3rd choice at the selection - the first 2 guys sucked after watching their tapes - so they just said screw it, take slauson and hope for the best.
Didn't realize that. Nice tidbit. I've always considered Slauson one of Tanny's best picks. He wasn't anything great but it's really amazing Jets were able to get so many starts out of such a late draft pick. Even if he never started, his salary would've made him one of the really good backup lineman in the league. Kind of funny to read your post and then learn it was basically a blind luck pick.
I very highly doubt that. I thought it was Ferguson that had 0 for most of the year. Hopefully this will dead all that silly talk of the Jets having the #3 best line in the league last year. If the line was that good, they wouldn't let both their starting guards go. I know Moore is up in the air, but I don't see him coming back unless it's really cheap, and he moves to backup type role. He was a liability at times out there last year. I'd be all about Warmack or Warford. Anybody with War in their name is a perfect choice for an OG!
Holy shit man. You're making this far more complicated than it is. This is a thread about Ducasse leaving for the Bears. You asked what plan B was and I pointed out the article that seemed to indicate the offense didn't do any worse, but actually better at times with Ducasse in instead of Slauson. I specifically said I don't know if Ducasse is the answer, but he has shown to be no worse than Slauson and so I don't think there's a reason to worry so much about his departure. I thought you were concerned with Slauson leaving, if I misunderstood than that's my fault. Yea the offense sucked either way. I doubt any guard in the league would make a huge positive impact, but we've definitely seen guards make a huge negative impact which Ducasse didn't seem to cause. That's the point.
I have not been a Slauson fan ever since he began starting. I thought he was the worst starter on the team his first year. I was writing about Plan B for the line, with Moore's departure expected. I konw there was some talk about Slauson staying, and merely wondered which bodies were going to be the OL corps with both starters gone and Colon such a question mark. And, as I have said, I think the Jets should go OG in a high round of the draft to both help answer that question and make an investment in the OL's future. Moving on here...
I think Bill Callahan also might've put in a word for Slauson given he recruited him to Nebraska and was drafted by the Jets during Callihan's tenure as Jet offensive line coach.
1year $815,000 http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75208925/ Not bad for a guy who plays g and c
I would have thought he was worth keeping for that sort of salary. Remember he played half the year before last with an injury that required surgery - lets see if his replacement will put team before self! :beer:
I still think letting him go for that kind of money/deal was stupid - especially if it results in us burning a high pick on a guard to replace him.
