POLL - Robert Saleh Favorability

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Do you have a Favorable or Unfavorable opinion of New York Jets Head Coach Robert Saleh?

  1. Favorable

    30 vote(s)
    29.1%
  2. Unfavorable

    32 vote(s)
    31.1%
  3. Too early to tell

    41 vote(s)
    39.8%
  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Nobody is going to show interest in the Jets if we keep the status quo.

    Woody is going to have to open the checkbook and give them full control.

    Nobody says no to that.

    They have to believe it though. The full control part.
     
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  2. SOJAZ

    SOJAZ Well-Known Member

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    I was read this and thought I would post it (Italics is mine to highlight how this HC thinks) for all to read and comment:
    How, at this stage, important would it be just to get a win for your players and your fanbase to just experience the benefits of that as opposed to just development and building as you go along here?

    Winning is always first. Always, always first. But it’s also not the whole cart in front of the horse thing, right? The process is what takes precedence over everything in terms of verbiage, but make no mistake, we want to win games, we’re trying to win these games, we want to get W’s, not only for ourselves, but for the organization and the fanbase, the media, for you guys writing. I mean, shoot, I’m sure you guys would write about a winning team for once in a while. So, trust me, I’m very cognizant of all of it, but keeping the main thing the main thing and really trying to find teachable moments whether you win or lose is the main focal point. Yeah, I want to win these last three games more than anybody, for everyone, trust me on that one. But at the same time, this young group, just to look back at Sunday and the fight that we went through versus a team that’s trying to stay in the playoffs, there’s a lot of cool things that happened yesterday. I really thought we were going to have a chance to win the football game, but obviously it didn’t. But, Ian, to answer your question, it’s very important to win football games, always.

    So, it's important to win games BUT the process is more important! Nice for him to finally confirm the marching orders...
    The last highlight line gets me... teachable moments? really, what the hell have you been teaching these guys? They still cannot execute and block consistently, they still have missed assignments and to claim "the fight" is laughable... Miami ran for 150+ yards...and scored 31 pts and BTW coach, your O only was able to generate 54 yards in the second half.

    I wanted this guy when we were looking but I got to tell you, his act has already worn thin. How about some accountability when you have a RB and TE both miss assignments and get your QB hammered...? How about firing the useless DC who is as bad if not worse than K. Rogers was under TB? How about tell ML to make some adjustments after 1/2 time or is he limited by the fact the our FQB play?

    Sorry for the rant gents... just sick of the BS... you know the plan.
     
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  3. barfolomew

    barfolomew The Most Resilient Member

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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72ig5oIUAE-m4J.jpg

    "In Europe the product is not as important as the process."
     
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  4. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I get that you're fed up, and that nothing I say is likely to change your POV on this, but I much prefer Saleh's approach than Gase's or Bowles's. What exactly were they trying to do? Neither one showed any engagement with players, Gase especially. At least Saleh recognizes that players need to be coached.

    I will say that "teachable moments" are only good if the student is capable of learning. Some of the guys on this roster are not.
     
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  5. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    You mean coddled right??
     
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    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Whatever works!
     
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  7. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    You say what Saleh said after a win, not after a loss. His point about winning being less important than the process loses all of its effectiveness & credibility if it is just excusing a loss.

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    I remember when now Boston Celtics Executive President Brad Stevens was just the coach for little old Butler University, Butler won with a very exciting last second buzzer-beating shot. The crowd went crazy, his players jumped around in jubilation but Stevens was pissed off. He took the mic after the game and went on a rant about how poorly his team played. They said: but you won?!?! And what he said was similar to what Saleh said - it's more about the process, how his team prepares, approaches, and executes. That last second shot coulda easily been a miss, so you can't evaluate based on wins/losses.

    now that's effective coaching.

    Saleh said what he said, coaching grown men professionals, who went out and lost their 11th game of the season, giving up over 30 points for 7th time and he said "a lot of good things happened". In that context, its nothing but making excuses for poor performance
     
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  8. Ralebird

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    If we're going to get as far off topic as forecasting an appreciable part of the fan population shifting due to sea level rise we're going to need to look at significantly much longer contracts for GM and head coach and will need to forecast draft projections by decades rather than by year. Remember, a stadium is only useful for 30-40 years - worst case scenarios would have the ocean rise by an inch or two in that time. The NFL considers 75 miles as the determining factor in market area and much of the area you suggest is beyond that radius. Relocating the team to such a location would alienate the vast majority of existing fans and season ticket holders.

    Road and mass transport infrastructure as well as easy access to JFK and LGA already exists in the Flushing Meadows area as does the fan base, hence a return to Queens makes sense from both an access and marketing standpoint.
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You are dreaming if you think we're getting a couple of inches of sea rise in the next 40 years. The sea will rise by that amount just from thermal expansion over that time.

    I said about 2 decades ago that we were headed for 1-3 meters of sea level rise by 2100 and we had an outside shot at 6-9 meters.

    My reasoning was simple: the scientific community thought we were maybe headed for a half a meter by then and that community is among the most conservative on earth in terms of projections.

    Since then the IPCC has revised it's projections upwards each time they have met. In the 6th go-round just completed they revised upwards to a meter of sea level rise.

    I'll double down again and say that by the time they have assessed a few more times - by 2030 or so - they will be talking about a guaranteed meter and potentially as much as 3 meters. Again, this will be the most conservative estimate they could reach because the scientific process requires extreme conservatism and then continuous revision as more evidence becomes available.

    I believe the odds are very good that we will have the better part of a meter already in place by 2050 and that thermal expansion by then will in itself have added more than the few inches you see coming at this point.
     
  10. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Four to ten feet of sea rise in eighty years? Someone is dreaming and it's not me. I doubt that even the widely proclaimed "worst case scenarios" of the alarmist "experts" are even a fraction of that. We can all make predictions but to go all in on radical unscientific proclamations serves no purpose.

    And we can agree to disagree; this is certainly not the place for such a discussion.
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/mar/22/sea-level-rise-james-hansen-climate-change-scientist
     
  12. Acad23

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    All this makes me wonder if the Jets would be better at water polo... :confused:
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I wanted McCarthy also. He had success on the pro level and developed a HOF QB.
     
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  15. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    So based on how the 49ers defense looks great with the front four dominating the LOS, it looks more and more like Saleh’s defensive “success” in San Francisco had very little to do with coaching. It’s no surprise that the 49ers defense went into another dimension when they drafted Nick Bosa in 2019.

    DeMeco Ryans has filled in just fine.
     
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  16. Jedi mind tricks

    Jedi mind tricks Well-Known Member

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    I don't hate him. That in itself is a huge accomplishment these days but I can't say he's really done much.
    This team has no personality or identity and it starts with him. Where's the fiery guy on the sidelines in SF?
     
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    Where extra points will be kicked from the opposing goal line!
     
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  18. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    I voted unfavorable mainly because the jets ARE the worst tackling football team I have ever seen, and Saleh was supposed to strengthen the defense. For some reason, their safeties wait until the RB gets to them instead of charging. The LBs never wrap anyone up. After teams gash the jets every game, Saleh always says "we have to play better." Saleh is like a Rex Ryan cheerleader coach who wants to befriend players instead of calling them out. The coach who is friends with the players is rarely successful. Lombardi's players hated him but there is a reason his name is on the Super Bowl trophy.
     
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  19. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree--you want players and coaches who HATE to lose, even when they field a young team. Rationalizing that losing is an accepted part of growing up breeds a mindset wherein players "don't mind" losing, rather than hating it
     
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  20. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    That was Tom Clements who raised Aaron Rodgers. He's also the guy who worked with Kyler Murray in 2019 and 2020.
     
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