This is mixing up cause and effect. Teams are good because they build through the draft. When they're good, they trade for players at the deadline in the hopes it puts them over the top. They are not good teams because they trade for players at the deadline, they trade for players at the deadline because they are good teams (because they drafted well). Whiffing on draft picks doesn't mean that building through the draft is the wrong way to go about things.
Holy Cow, thanks for opening the door on this one! Let's start with the fact this organization simply cannot seem to find and bring in experience at the coaching level. Whether that be by design, a forced hand or whatever, it consistently places the entire organization in the hands of people who are, debatably, NOT QUALIFIED to be in the position they are in. This has become a disturbing pattern that Ownership seem to champion and I'm not sure why. Suffice it to say, in the last 20 years, this has been proven out time and again as a bad strategy. As well, they are getting worse in their picks of a HC! The Jets have gone from Bob Saleh, who was considered and is proving yet again to be a PHENOMENAL defensive coordinator to Glenn who was a wonderful player but, IMO, is a low end DC. Let's face it, Glenn is the HC of the Jets on name recognition only. Just an opinion but the early results are not promising. Also, have you heard of an entire scouting dept., down to the last rube at the very bottom of the scouting barrel, being fired recently? I've heard no such thing. JD, Idzik, McCagnan and now Moogs do not, let me repeat that, DO NOT travel the country scouting talent. These unknown losers, whom I've never seen fired, do ALL the leg work. They compile ALL the detail, find out all the inside dirt and on and on to give whichever lemming GM we have at any given time the info to pull the trigger on who is drafted. There is no way, ever, I can be convinced this many men have been THIS bad with the draft. Are you comfortable with this draft haul being in the hands of the current people employed by the Jets? Having said that... To answer your question in a single word, "No" they shouldn't give up. HOWEVER, I also do NOT want to see what "COULD BE" a generation changing series of drafts (2026/2027) be mis-managed by a bunch of clueless shit stains who should not be in the jobs they are in. Do you? Do YOU feel confident, at this juncture in time, that anyone running the show at 1 Jets Drive has the knowledge, intelligence and wherewithal to manage these drafts? Pick an FQB? Let's be fucking up front and frank, that draft haul, and I can be honest, it's quite a haul, MUST DELIVER AN FQB, PERIOD!!!! Full stop. There are no if's, but's or excuses that will be tolerated. The whole kit and kaboodle is for full blown naught unless they land an FQB and, at the very least, a generational player on the defense to replace one of those that was just tossed away like last week's trash. For those of you that keep flappin' your lips about it's 100% about that FQB I gleefully trot the Cincinnati Bengals out. Joe Burrow is one of the best QB's of his generation but I STILL do not see a Lombardi trophy in their case. Why? Because their defense is TRASH! Hell, they just gave up 39 points to one of the WORST offenses in the league. Hell, not only is Burrow one of the best QB's of his generation he has, arguably, the best set of WR's in the league to boot! At the end of the day, DEFENSE STILL wins championships. Just ask the Chiefs. I almost fully digressed, the original point of the thread. I refuse to vote on something that will not be fully fleshed out until 2028/9 or later. "We" won't know what those two drafts mean until at least then. The only thing I can fully guarantee you is the Jets will be trash for that entire period. Just like they have been for the last 15 years. It would be one thing if it felt like they were moving forward. All this feels like, to me, is moving backwards...across the entire board. Worse head coach than we've had before and, at best, the same level of people managing the personnel and draft which, if you take recent history to heart, means we are going nowhere.
It's not the building it's what we have built. We built through the draft in 2020 and then hit on one of the greatest drafts in our history which we are already dismantling because of the ineptitude of the organization. It's definitely the right way when you have competent people in place we just don't know what that looks like. My problem isn't with the idea of building through the draft and I have an inkling of faith Moug might do OK drafting but 0% confidence we don't just screw them up once they get here with this coach.
Agreed…just because we’ve fucked up so many picks in the past doesn’t mean it’s the wrong way to build a team However, what I WILL say is that the good teams not only tend to draft better overall over the long term, but they make sure to keep their good players. When do you ever see well run teams like the Steelers, Ravens, or Eagles lose players they REALLY want to keep? Hardly ever. The Eagles last offseason yes they lost a bunch of DL due to the cap, but that’s after winning it all and they’ve already made steps to replenish. Teams like us are not only drafting poorly, but we absolutely SUCK at keeping the very few good players we do happen to draft. We’ve seen it time and time again. And there’s ALWAYS the same kind of excuses that I keep hearing…they’re selfish (Keyshawn, Revis), they’re hurt (Abraham), they’re too expensive (Revis), they’re on the downside due to age, etc. We’re seeing the same shit now with crap like well by the time we’re good they’ll want new contracts and be too expensive, or well we’re losing anyway. We always make excuses why getting rid of our players makes some kind of sense. And coupled with our historic inability to draft well (different GMs, same ownership, same basic scouting system, whatever the cause the results have been consistently bad), we end up treading water because chances are the new draft picks won’t be as good as the players we just traded away (remember, Mougey just traded away two guys who were All Pro’s only two years ago). So we never actually get better. We just create more holes. Even now, we’re hoping these new draft picks go to fix the offense, which we absolutely need to do. Problem is, we have a defensive coach who can’t even field a good defense, and now we’ve gutted the two best players out of it. We will NEVER get better using this type of approach. We’ve seen this shit for decades now. It’s not hard to see that you get better by getting MORE good players, and by hiring the RIGHT HC, and by finding the right QB. We have failed at all three, the HC gives me very little hope that he can find and develop the right QB, and the jury is still out on if Mougey can turn these picks into more pro bowlers and All Pro’s…he’s done OK so far in one draft, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on his drafting ability but the other two parts of the “how to build a winner” program are full on F’s so far.
I don't see this as a rebuild. I see it as an opportunity. It was an opportunity to make trades that gained tremendous talent value for the organization. It also was an opportunity to unload a disgruntled star. It was also an opportunity to increase the $ under the cap for the next few seasons. Mougey jumped on these opportunities and vastly improved the team's competitive potential over the next few seasons.
Opportunity to make trades that gain a lot of talent for the organization? By removing pro bowl talent off the roster for lottery tickets lol.
Seriously…it’s like playing the lottery, winning $500,000, then trading that ticket in for the hope of winning $1M We traded away two All Pro’s (and yes I know that was a couple of years ago, but their talent didn’t disappear…our coaching has sucked and the losing sucks) for 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder…so four chances to draft other All Pro’s, albeit probably at different positions (offense!) I understand it, I just don’t like it…I just don’t think you get better by trading away good players. You get better by ACCUMULATING good players.
Resources aren't infinite though. If you want to get more draft picks, which we absolutely needed, you have to give up something in return.
Literally none of that answered my question. So because you think the Jets can’t draft well historically, what do you think they should do? Try not to gain draft assets and build through free agency? Tell me your strategy without all the garbly bullshit crying about the scouting department.
Hypothetical: If the Jets walked away yesterday only making the Q deal, are you happy? You have no inkling that a Sauce deal was even on the table. Never happened, never reported on. If we woke up this morning with a 2026 2nd and a 2027 first plus a top CB locked up for years I think we'd have been equally as thrilled.
Yeah like I said, I get it. I just don’t like it I think this roster, while not great, isn’t THIS bad, and I think a lot of it is on the new coaching, which I think has been atrocious. And I think with a decent OL, a good RB, and one great WR, we really just need competent QB play to be competent…I think we absolutely need to find a QB and at least one more great WR and our offense would be at least average, and coupled with a good D, we’d be competitive. Now, that good D is a bit harder to get to. The haul of picks absolutely gives us a great opportunity to find that QB, WR, and Edge, which I would say are our biggest needs. So I get it, I do…and the 5 first round picks in the next two drafts is a great fallback. I’m just tired of seeing these tear downs over and over.
didn't mind the sauce trade, but did not like the Q Williams trade, the man is a stud and only 28 i believe and no Major injury's i think if they would have gotten him some help on the line he would have been as good as he was the first 3 years, OMO.
I guess I need to lay off the diatribe. You want to know what I would do if I were running the show? Fine... I would fire the ENTIRE executive team, all of them: Hymie Elthai Brian Friedman Eric Gelfand Ian Lasher Andy Lee Gone! I don't know how much they have as far as input but, after the run of shit this team has put on display, nobody is fucking safe! I would rock that building to it's core! The ENTIRE Scouting department - G-O-N-E! It is exceptionally clear that they are inept. A fucking blind mouse can draft Sauce Gardner, Quinnen Williams, Garrett Wilson etc. Where these people EARN their money is in the late rounds and a FQB. BOTH areas have been shit for DECADES! I would then find the most qualified able bodied football man I could possibly find, slide him a piece of paper, have him write his price on it and pay it. I would then step the fuck out of the way and let them do their thing. I can think of no less than 5 people who I would bring in the turn this ship around. What I wouldn't do is go into the 2026/2027 draft, with that amount of capital, with the fucking crew we have in place now. If "that person" I target to rebuild likes Mougey so be it. Of course, I wouldn't know because, unlike our Hershey Squirt owner, I would be on vacation in Tahiti somewhere keeping my fucking hands off of the professionals while they do their work. PROVEN professionals, not some random set of rookies. There, no diatribe. Fuckin' eh!
Ok so don’t try to build a team through the draft until we fire the entire management structure of the organization. Got it.
Business 101, if you've fired/replaced all the front line folks, year after year, (players/position coaches) and your company (Team) still sucks, it's time to go from the top down. Any fool that's run any organization knows this. How many times are they going to spin their wheels in the mud before they replace the ENTIRE thing? It's VERY clear to me and anyone else with their eyes wide open that the ENTIRE PHILOSOPHY top down is broken and has been for some time now.
