That would be a great result. Calvin Johnson had 754 yds in his rookie year. But looking at the Jets WR situation I can't help thinking about the Wizard of Oz with Mark Sanchez playing the Dorothy role, with Hill, Holmes, and Schillens trailing along after him. Going to Oz to ask the Wizard to give Holmes a heart, Hill experience, and Schillens health. The Bottom Line is that the Jets WR group COULD be quite good or good enough, but for that to happen, a LOT of things have to break right. As of now, its a HUGE question mark. AND just another reason the Jets will want to be a run first offense
^at least Sanchez and his wizard of oz crew don't sniff cat piss together before games. That would be weird :wink:
Hill's a rookie wide receiver who came out of an option offense that rarely threw the ball. He's got an experience deficit on many levels to make up before he's likely to be a good NFL WR. The Calvin Johnson comparisons are absurd. Stephen Hill and Calvin Johnson did not have the same role at Georgia Tech. Johnson was used as a primary receiver and caught 178 balls for 2,927 yards and 28 TD's in his college career. Stephen Hill was used as a primary blocker and occasional deep threat and caught 49 balls for 1,240 yards and 9 TD's in his college career. If Hill was a really gifted receiver, like Calvin Johnson, there is no question at all that he would have been used much more often in the offense. The facts are that Hill is an ok receiver with great height and speed and so he was used as an option in the offense when the opponents came up in the box to stop the run. The odds are pretty good that Hill will be a mediocre NFL receiver. His skills weren't great in college and the NFL is a much tougher competition than what he saw there. He's another of these great tools prospects that Terry Bradway has promoted on the Jets during the last decade. The problem is that great tools is only half the equation. Great production is the other half and somebody upstairs in the Jet's FO just doesn't get that. If we're lucky and Hill adapta and grows to become a better player than he currently is he'll catch about 30 balls for about 500 yards this season and a few TD's. maybe a half dozen or so. He'll catch about 350-400 balls in his career, which will be respectable and his career will span maybe 8 years. He'll be an ok #2 receiver. If we're unlucky the Jets just blew another high round pick on a guy because their beer goggles missed the fact that if he was really good he'd have caught more than 49 balls in college.
He was the primary receiver in a qb option offense at gt. Hill averaged 30 ypc. That's pretty mcnasty Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
Jett was a fast smurf. At least Hill has size going for him. He's a bit thin for the NFL game but he'll put some pounds on over the next year or two. He's more like Chaz Schilens and I think he's likely to have about the same numbers Schilens has after 4 years, adjusted for injuries. People really need to step back on Hill and just appreciate him for what he is. If we'd gotten him in the 5th round he'd be appropriately valued and people would be pleasantly surprised by what he brought to the table as a 3rd or 4th receiver this year and hopefully a #2 next year. Instead we traded up for him in the 2nd round and people are going to expect him to be a really good receiver, which all the angles suggest he will not be.
No, it really isn't. He got 3 balls a game thrown his way and since the defense was pulled up close to the line of scrimmage to shut the option down and he was left one-on-one he got a chance to catch a few of those balls downfield. His yards per catch is a function of being a little-used option that the defense could not afford to devote resources too. Calvin Johnson had 3 times as many balls a game thrown his way and defenses tried to shut him down and were not able too. If defenses had tried to shut Hill down the odds are he'd have disappeared completely.
Georgia Tech didn't switch to the option offense until 2008 - a year after Calvin Johnson left for the NFL. Hill has measurables similar to Johnson, I think that's where the comparisons come in.
Yea there is no point in comparing the 2. They are from completely different offenses we have no idea what Hill will do in the NFL. He was drafted because of his upside and physical talent more so than his WR skills because he hasn't done much to show us in college. We know he is a great run blocker and has the physical ability to be a deep threat so he fits our O well. To expect him to be Calvin Johnson someone who dominates even in double coverage is silly. If he has 600 yards and 5 TDs thats great for a rookie WR. Especially since he will make more room for people like Keller, Holmes and Kerley to make plays underneath. Holmes shouldn't be double covered like he was last year.
Watch the highlights. He gets doubled sometimes tripled. The comparisons to Megatron come from his combine numbers Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
GT QB had 1652 passing yards and only 74 completions. Hill had 800 of those yards and 29 of those catches. The next leading receiver had like 300. I watched some highlights and their QB was terrible. He under threw Hill way too much. Sanchez excels with deep balls as does F'in Tebow. I'm not ready to say any rookie is a future pro bowler, but this kid has as much potential as anyone in the draft. Maybe the numbers didn't, but talent + hard work usually = success.
Obviously take this with a grain of salt. And I HIGHLY doubt this happens. Incarcerated Bob @incarceratedbob **UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Jets have called the Vikings about the availability of Percy Harvin as of now no offer exchanged-- Minny waiting
i would LOVE this. IB is typically a moron, but right now all things considered this is feasible. If this turns out to be true I'll officially consider him worthy of consideration when he tweets.
Hill was consensus 2nd round pick in every scouting report, draft publication you could get your hands. He had a great combine so some pushed him into the late first round. After the big two of Floyd and Blackmon he was a drop off talent wise but arguably the next best receiver available by general consensus. You placing him as a 5th round value is just revisionist history and flat out wrong and misleading.
Jake Steinberg @Steiny31 Per ESPN's Sal Paolantonio the #Jets had a 5-hour meeting last night to discuss whether or not to sign a WR. They've decided to stand pat.
No he wasn't. Before the combine Stephen Hill was a consensus 4th round pick with people projecting him up in the 3rd and down in to the 5th depending on their biases. He looked very good in his skivvies and he became one of the draft's risers with the Jets falling for him hook line and sinker, because hey, the Jets like people who look good in their skivvies. That's just what it is.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN Jets waived WRs Scotty McKnight and Demarcus Ganaway. #nyj Ganaway was battling hamstring injury. McKnight told me few days ago his surgically repaired knee was little sore, but thought he'd be fine
Can't see why they would do this. Just too much uncertainty with Kerley, Hill, and Schillens. They want Sanchez to improve yet this is the WR corps, and Holmes. If the ground and pound fails or the defense gives up an early lead, you do not want Sanchez trying to air it out to an unproven WR corps like this. Any kind of WR veteran depth pickup would be a smart move.
