People often go on about Rex being obsessed by Defense (which I agree he is a bit) and spending all his 1st rounders on Defensive players but that is no different to a lot of teams - look at the 3 teams that have had probably the best Offenses over the last 5 years, New England, New Orleans and Green Bay: Jets - 4 Defensive 1 Offensive first selections New England - 4 Defensive 1 Offensive first selections (and that was OL) New Orleans - 5 Defensive 0 Offensive first selections Green Bay - 3 Defensive 2 Offensive first selections (both OL) So its not like any top team is burning all its top draft selections on WRs and RBs
Very good point! Sanchez was the old CBA "guard". A crap load of guaranteed scratch up front...not including his asinine extension.
You do acknowledge that every team you noted had elite talent on offense except the Jets. Those teams didn't draft offense because they didn't need to. Only the Jets needed to really upgrade their talent on offense but that was not the priority.
He needs an extension at the end of this season. What he has done with this franchise has been truly great. What he has done so far this year has been remarkable. He is slowly maturing into an awesome head coach. He has playoff experience, he has an amazing eye for defense, and he now is paired with a guy who has an amazing eye for offense. He has a young and hungry team, and is one QB away from a constant deep playoff team. Geno could be that answer, but obviously that is yet to be seen. All you people bitching about him are clueless. If we fire him, we would be starting all over again. We would be stuck in another year or two of rebuilding and constant losses. Extend him and put some talent on offense. With a talented team, we all know what he can do. Give him a QB and you're talking super bowl.
After 44 years what do we lose by giving Rex 5-10 years at $5mil per? It's not like we're going to the SB regularly anyway.
Nothing super duper but say Rex had Philip Rivers type of a second tier QB, he would make playoffs every year. The guy just didn't have a good QB so far. He deserves an extension just because he deserves another run with the team he has just created this year. Tons of new names in both O and D and he is still in playoff hunt.
You know what scares me the most? If we fire him, our defense is fucked. Granted, the guys with talent will still be great, but all the young guys that are playing their asses off for him and are producing in his system will most likely be shit. A player is a product of the system and our defensive players thrive under Rex. If we lost this defense, we are really fucked.
If the Jets are in not sure mode at the end of the season it would be easy to give Rex a 2 year extension that makes him a 3 year HC to right the ship. If things fell apart next year, well then the Jets are eating 2 years of the contract. If on the other hand things are meandering along but still going nowhere special after 2015 then the Jets fire Rex on the last year of his deal, as is normally the case, and move on. 2014 and 2015 is plenty of time to get the Jets up top if the talent flow onto the roster is good. With the Jets favorable draft position next year it's likely to be good.
everyone of those teams have elite qb's. the jets have not had an opportunity to get one since rex has taken over.
In the last 5 years, the Jets didn't have the opportunity to draft a elite Qb or Wr or even RB? No way to draft a single playmaker on offense even with Tannenbaum pretending the real NFL was like Madden?
You don't really think Woody is gonna eat 2 years of Rex's contract do ya? Rex will work thru the entire length of any extension unless he pulls a Herman Edwards and forces his way outta here. 5 more years for Rex gives him an entire decade to get this team to the SB if that is still the goal. That would also make Rex the longest tenured Jets HC in the history of the franchise if he isn't already. I say go for it. After 45 years, we really have nothing to lose. If Woody can burn $45mil on Holmes, he can give Rex $20mil to hang around another 10 years or so.
I really like Rex. I really don't get some of his decisions. Tony Sparano?...are you fucking kidding?
What elite QBs did the Jets pass on in the draft? (other than Russell Wilson, which every team did at least twice, and he's not elite, at least not yet...) Actually, what "elite" RBs or WRs did the Jets have the opportunity to draft and didn't? They've definitely missed out on some TEs, but not sure what elite WRs or RBs they had a shot at in the last 5 years (Lets look at this with league-consensus thinking at the time of the draft - i.e. not someone who went in a late round but ended up being a steal) Just looked at the numbers to compare NFL-wide drafting in the first round to the Jets 1st round picks by offense/defense Offense = 48% (78 offensive players selected) Defense = 52% (82 defensive players selected) Of those 78 offensive players selected in the first round... 14 were QBs (9% overall, 18% of offensive players selected) 31 were O-Line (19% overall, 40% of offensive players selected) So while the Jets have obviously focused on defense in the first round, it appears the league has as well, albeit by less of a margin. However, the players selected on the offensive side of the ball tend to be either QBs or OL (almost 60% of all offensive players selected in the first round overall). So the skill players on the offensive side of the ball aren't selected that frequently (approx 20% of players selected in first round)
did you ever think that maybe rex hurts the offense, and the qb? i mean how many first round picks has rex picked on offense again? sancho. followed by defense, defense, defense. how many big name fa or trades have we brought in under rex on the offensive side of hte ball? ivory? oh wait yeah santonio holmes. yeah he is a real top flight receiver, world beater. how many 1000 yard receiving seasons does he have again? oh wait braylon edwards. derrick mason... did you ever think thta rex really wants to bring in what he wants on the defensive side of hte ball and to hell with the offense. lots of draft picks,. guys like cromartie, landry so on and so forth. so while i agree rex has done pretty well wtih some bad play at qb, i do wonder how much of hte problem there relates to rex. and EVERYONE knew this was a rebuilding year, so lets not get on the if we only had a qb we would be 8-2 bandwagon at this point. ivo
The original poster did some good work; I appreciate seeing my suspicions put to actual numbers. Quoted for truth. The QB doesn't have to be Tom Brady; look at Joe Flacco. He's not going to be mentioned in the same breath as Namath, Unitas or anyone like that, but he does happen to have a Super Bowl ring. I don't think the distance from Smith/Sanchez to Flacco is as far as it would be to say Brady or Manning, so it's not unreasonable to think that if the defense holds and a decent QB shows up, an AFC championship or Super Bowl might be attainable. Heck, it worked for Baltimore. At this point in time, I'm still for Rex. The data from the last few seasons make a decent case for his retention.
Flacco was the right person at the right. The defense was there. He was a quality QB on a cheap contract and the ravens added offensive talent. The ravens were balanced as hell. Now he got paid. Talent left or retired. The Ravens with Flacco will go like PM with the Colts or TB with the Pats.
This is the big key, we have no idea how much input Rex really has and if it's his fault. If tells Tanny, hey I think I want a DL and Tanny analyzes the team and the draft comes and the BPA is a DL, is it really on Rex or Tanny? We will not know exactly how much input Rex has so its hard to judge if the drafts broke like they did became of GM, owner, or Rex. Yeah I'm sure the Ravens would be upset with Flacco ending up in the group with two of the best QBs of this generation. :smile:
No - they didnt have an opportunity to draft an elite QB - in case you didnt notice all the really good ones got drafted before the Jets could take their selection (and you cant count fluke picks like Wilson otherwise you would have to say every team was terrible for not taking Montana or Brady) - and you take the BPA - if the view is thew BPA is a defensive player you go for him rather than reaching for someone on offense - especially once it quickly became apparent that we didnt have anyone to throw the ball to them - I would much rather have a good QB than a great WR - and almost no-one takes RBs in the first round unless their team is stacked.
