Can you point out to me the big name FAs we have signed on either side of the ball the last few years? We havent exactly had the best cap position since Rex arrived - we are not the only team looking for great, cheap, dependable WRs and the like there are 31 other teams we are competing with its not like we get first pick of every good player that comes on the market - and again this seems to assume that Rex has the final say on every single aspect of the team and is effectively HC, FO and owner all rolled into one which just is not the case.
I should have explain better. With the money tied up at QB, it is hard to build a truly balanced team.:up:
which is the problem we have had - paying our QB and a CB at franchise QB levels with one not performing to anything like that level and the other not playing QB
Couldn't agree more. If we even had a top 20 QB, we'd be contending. We just haven't had it the last 5 years and it's the most important position on offense. It's shame because it's such a waste of a great defense. Revis' impact was completely nullified by Sanchez committing so many turnovers. I don't want Wilkerson to suffer the same fate! Hopefully Geno pans out, if not it's back to the competition.
Rex is a defense first coach, minimal emphasis on offense. Our lack of sucess in the non winning seasons have been because of how bad the offense plays. We are a loss away from being .500. It's possible that we will go 6 and 10 for the rest of the season. And it's not because the defense is bad. The good thing is at least the tickets will be cheap.
I like how Rex detractors bash his "lack of offensive prowess" as if other successful HCs have put their stamp on both sides of the ball.... Like Sean Payton and his "defensive input", or Mike McCarthy and his mark on Green Bays D. Wonder where those guys would be if they had Mark Sanchez for 4 yrs.
Seriously, getting Rex is the best thing that's happened to this franchise in a long time. If you don't like Rex then you need to just go root for another team.
QB isn't just the most important position on offense, it's by far the most important position on the field. A top 10 qb gets the Jets 2 home playoff games during sanchezs rookie yr, and maybe 2 more the next yr. I think this yr they would be competing for the division with a solid hold on a wildcard spot rather than a tenuous hold because of a tiebreaker. No signature needed
How many bad offenses do people need to watch before they realize the game extends beyond just the QB himself? The Jets got to two AFCCGs with average/ok offenses. They've struggled mightily with bad offenses ever since. Get some talent at the skill positions and fix the leaks on the o-line, then lets talk about the QB. Peyton Manning didn't even entertain the Jets in part because the offense sucks. Great QBs want to play with great offenses. If you want to see what happens with a great QB and a bad offense, just look at NE this year. They're winning because their defense is a lot better than it is given credit for. If it weren't for a young and up and coming defense, that team would be in the shitter right now. Name one offensive player the Jets have who is better than Denver's equivalent on the depth chart. I can't think of any.
+1 but our defense needs help too in the secondary. When the DLine plays great we usually have a good chance to win no matter who the QB is. but its no excuse NOT to have big time talent on the offense. Lets all hope that after this season we will build a top notch offense to help out our defense. But a great , young cover corner would help us a bit! I am also wondering about the play of NICK & BRICK. Good post and thank you.
Yeah I was just poking fun, I figured the point was somewhere there :grin: I'm terrified of this happening if Rex is to leave. To expand on the elite QB idea, The Jets have had to pick a QB in 2009 and 2013 recently. The 2008 draft produced Flacco and Ryan in the first round, the 2009 draft Stafford, Freeman, and Sanchez, the 2010 draft Bradford and Tebow. Then the 2011 draft had Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Colin Kap, in the first two rounds. The 2012 draft had Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. The 2013 draft class is too early to judge, but if what I'm reading is correct, the 2014 draft class is much better, maybe even historic. Sometimes the Jets were just bad at the wrong times recently and never bad enough at the right time. They have missed on lower tier QBs though, but as you mentioned so has everyone else at least once over. So QB wise, the Jets invested heavily in Sanchez and the timing was off and they missed the fun of the 2011 and 2012 drafts. That's the way it goes, there was no other QB the Jets could have invested heavily in the 1st round under Rex except Sanchez or Freeman. Hypothetically they give Rex Kellen Clemens all of 2009 and the Jets pick a QB in 2010 they would have had to been the worst team in the league to snatch Bradford. Let's say they never got Favre and instead tried to move up for Matt Ryan and reached/moved back for Flacco. That's a definitely more interesting what if scenario, but that's pre Rex. The part that always brings the most confusion in Rex debates is how much influence he really has in picking players. The thought was he influenced Tanny greatly and that's why we picked defense, but in comes Idzik and our first two picks are corner and DL. Rex's first draft was all offense too, so really down the road we might eventually learn if Rex was de facto GM or not in the Jets organization, but right now, we may never know
Even if we change the QB the result will be the same. The offense will underachieve because it will not be developed with the talent it needs to succeed. Like I said again, Ryan wants a top defense at all costs. The only reason he was good is because he had Mangini talent in house. Now that he has his fingerprints on the roster for the last 3 years you see what we are now. He is a defense coordinator, that's it. Wait untill next years draft. We will be stock piling more defensive players. Then we will hear about ground and pound again. We need to move on. A .500 season only will hurt us in getting quality players needed to fix this junk we call an offense. Thanks to Ryan
Great thread. QB isn't everything but it is far and away the most important position on the field. If you miss on a high draft pick QB, it's at least a three year hole. It's remarkable that we've been as good as we have been since Rex got here and it is a testament to his coaching skill. God I hope Geno gets his shit together.
What I don't understand about poeple here is the love for Rex. We are in a offensive minded leauge. The rules have been changed to support this. Hitting the qb,receivers, coverage rules changed. ect. The rules coming out now are stacked against an defensive mindset. The ground and pound mindset will not get it done in the future. With Rex that is all we are getting. Everybody here wants to be .500 team that plays defense? That is all we are ever going to get with Rex calling all the shots and this puppet GM. The Giants have been Sb champs even on lucky brakes because the offense could produce.
What I don't understand is the hate for Rex. Last year's draft was a defensive draft across the board. It was logical to pick early D players. This upcoming draft will be an offensive draft and we'll get a bunch of early offense picks. You can't blame Rex that Tanny traded up for Mark Sanchez and overpaid a bunch of free agents (including Mark who was a bottom 20 QB his entire career). Those moves set us back a couple years at least. In retrospec we should have kept Favre in 2009 and drafted a new QB in 2010 from a better QB class. Rex knows it's an offensive league, which is why he hired MM. He wants a high pace offense that attacks via the passing game. When all your receivers and pass catching TEs are out it gets pretty tough to maintain that, which is why we've been doing more "ground and pound" style offense lately. At the beginning, we were passing much more.
Does Rex make any adjustments to try to save the season? Or does he play Geno no matter what like last year with Sanchez?
the problem the Jets have is that like when Sanchez was here there are no viable alternatives on the roster - next year when we have the money for once to go after someone in FA I can only pray that we do - we aren't going to get anyone amazing but someone that isn't terrible would be a major improvement.
The hate for Rex is because he is a terrible head coach. He clearly influences the offense to fit his ground and pound philosophy. There is a reason our offense looks the same year in and year out and that is Rex
this press conference is ridiculous, as usual. won't talk about individuals. won't talk about specific plays. what is the point of a press conference then?
