Sanchez had a good game

Yeah, there is some concern about Stafford's ability to stay on the field. It's still a bit early to call him injury prone in my opinion, but there is concern. These haven't been minor hits that he comes up lame on, these have been heavy hits.

 

You don't get to take away drops or INT's. Every QB has dropped passes. Drops are often caused by passes being slightly inaccurate which was the case at least a few times yesterday.

He played awful, so did the receivers. We left at least 2 sure TD's on the field because of either a missed read or an off target pass.

 

Considering how well Hill did would you rather him or Stafford?


I hear many fans on NFL radio say they want to ride with Hill this year and let Stafford get acclimated a bit more. Those heavy hits were partly due to his heavy feet, which is another reason I'd take Sanchez over him, he's mobile, and throws a great ball while on the move.

 

He didn't have an awful game but he did not have a good game.

 

Those INT's were not INT's, I don't care what the league/refs say.

I take those away. Dropped balls are not Mark's fault, I realize I can't magically put them back.

So if next week he goes 0-30 with 30 droppes passes Mark will have played a bad game?

 

Dropped balls can be partially because of accuracy issues as was the case with at least a few of those drops yesterday, including the Holmes drop that was probably a TD. It's not always all on the receiver when a ball is dropped.

Neither Sanchez or the receivers played well.

 

Agree to disagree, Marks job is to put it where his guys can catch, if it hits the receivers hands he should catch the ball. That is their sole purpose for being on the team.

Just like the one Braylon caught, that was underthrown so Edwards adjusted and make a fantastic catch.

Of course Sanchez can play better, but you would think all these veteran receivers would be picking him up, not hurting him.

 

Bill Walsh says hi.

 

Tell him I said hi back. :grin:

 

Hill was decent in the backup role, but no. I'd never take Hill over Stafford. Stafford has a lot more potential. Granted, its only one game against a less than stellar team, but in his first action in 6 weeks Stafford threw for over 200 yards and had 4 TDs with only 1 INT.

I don't think you can say that Stafford's "heavy footedness" caused the big hits. The first should injury last year against the browns was one a "Hail Mary" type of play where he scrambled all over the place to buy time before lining up to throw.

The second one came because Julius Pepper just blew by Backus (LT) and creamed Stafford. It wasn't an inability to move, it was a lack of time to move.

EDIT: Just rewatched the clip on NFL.com and it takes Peppers about 1.5-2 seconds to get there. Plus, something I never noticed before, the way that Pepper wraps him up prevents Stafford from doing anything but falling with his full weight (an Pepper's) right on the shoulder. Pepper was trying to strip the ball and so he wraps his right arm around Stafford's right side pinning him arm right next to his body.

 

If you really want a answer to this start your own thread. I'd hope you'd know in advance what answer you'll get on a Jets MB board though.

Having a receiver like Johnson could make any QB look good, I hope after years of top draft picks the Lions would straighten things out. It finally looks like you're headed in the right direction.

He's basically played 1 game this year and only 10 last year, and in 10 games threw 20 picks.


I'll take Sanchez any day of the week.

 

Let's not forget the conditions he was playing in and how often he's played in them.

Yesterday was a shit moment for the O... it happens... hope they learn from it and move past it.

 

If Chad Pennington were passing on all those drops they would have been for touchdowns!

 

Actually, yes, I am Santonio's mom and you should leave him alone!

Should an NFL receiver catch the ball when it hits them in the hands? Yes. Does it make it more difficult when the pass isn't accurately placed? Yes.

Look - Sanchez is only a 2nd year QB and will have his struggles, but one thing he really needs to improve is being consistently accurate. If all you expect from your QB is to get it near the receiver then you don't have high enough standards IMO. Sanchez has shown the ability to be deadly accurate and he needs to throw those types of passes on a more consistent basis. It will come with time.

If he had thrown a more accurate pass to Santonio leading him at chest level and hitting him in stride it would have been the game winning TD.

 

It's inexcusable. Green Bay isn't an all world defense. Sometimes Sanchez looks very indecisive. I just don't feel confident when he drops back to pass.

 

Sanchez didn't have a good game, but he wasn't awful. Games like this last year, he would have wet the bed and thrown 3 or 4 horrible intos. Get off this kid's back, it's his second season. Sometimes he's gonna play like it. Drew fucking Brees has like 10 interceptions.

 

I hate taking away this or that to prove a point but the amount of drops by the WR's was absurd and I didn't see any drop where I thought the WR wasn't to blame. I have been trying not to bother with what the numbers would have looked like or anything else if they make those catches but I will argue that if they limit their drops to 3, which is still awful for an NFL team, the Jets have 2-3 scoring drives in the game.

 

Can't start my own thread... Don't have 50 post yet! But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised what answer I'd get.

It's been a long, long road. The problem is that so many of those top draft picks were made by a man who had little to no clue what he was doing... Joey Harrington, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams... Three number ones, three busts.

I think they are more comparable that you might think.

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Name                 TD  Int   Comp%   INT%
Sanchez              21   24    53.5%   4.1
Stafford             17   21    54.5%   4.8

Obviously the biggest knock on Stafford is his lack of ability to stay on the field. Only time will tell if this is a a coincidence or if this is pattern.

You mention that Stafford has CJ, which will make any QB look good. I agree, but I'll counter that Sanchez has a better running game and better OL.

Don't get me wrong... I doubt I'm going to convince anyone here that they would seek to trade for Stafford any more than you'd expect to get Lions fans to give up on Stafford already. But I think it's an interesting debate.