Yep, and he got more of the work leading up to that preseason game against the Ravens, before he was officially named the starter shortly afterwards on the 26th. Sanchez basically got a month worth of being prepared as the starter... and was getting at least 50% of the work leading up to that...
Hold your hands up to catch a pass. When you do, they are on the same height as your shoulders. It hit him square in the hands. I'm really not sure how the pass could be more accurate? Are you talking about like an inch to the right or something? If the pass hits you right where it needs to be, hits you square in the hands... that is not on the QB, no way no how.
I agree on pretty much everything, except you giving the nod to Sanchez of course... Both looked very promising in their first years... and should make our rivalry much more interesting for years to come. We've never both had franchise QBs at the same time, so I'm pretty excited about it.... Oh and ya... fuck the Pats...
No it's not. I may have amde a mistake, it would have been 13-3 Sanchez cost us: at NO Buf(as bad as he was if we don't get a penalty in OT we still win) at NE The D costs us: at Miami Jax STs cost us: vs. Miami vs. Atlanta If it was all about QB play we win 12-13 games last year. We went over this in the other thread. Henne killed you against ten, he led you to a huge hole then he did help bring you back only to throw the INT in OT to cost you the game. If he was more efficient earlier you wouldn't have need a huge comeback. His #s look nice against Houston but they all came after they were down 27-0 and the game was over. How does a QB play "great" leading his team to a 27-0 deficit? a team like that Mich team should have scored 70 against a 1AA team.
It wasn't just shoulder height. It was ON the shoulders, not on the numbers where it should have been. There is a reason why it was tipped and the fault lies equally on Ricky and Henne. Not the best of passes on one of the easiest attempts, and not the hardest catches to catch.
Dolphin fans keep arguing we had better red zone targets, when in reality, I can think of four dropped TD passes by Braylon alone. There are probably more, but I can think of four right off the bat. One in his first game against Dolphins, the face mask play, two other passes I can't remember against which teams, just have the image of the dropped catches.
Again, the defense killed us in those games... not Henne. I will not say that early on in the Tennessee game, that he played his best ball. However, that wasnt what beat us. The defense giving up 17 points in the first half was just unacceptable. And against Houston? They scored 27 in the first half! That is flat out pathetic... on pace to score 54 points?!? Henne didnt lead the other team's offense down the field at will. Huge deficits given up early are not on the QB. Henne can only play on one side of the ball, lol...
Yes okay, but listen Chad Henne has been in the NFL for a year prior. What was Henne doing? Watching Chad Pennington(Who one day is going to be a damn good coach, and thats the only place he can win I think) AND Henne had his hands all over the Miami Dolphins Playbook, film sessions, and more etc etc. Bottom line is why dont we just wait another year before we all start buffing each QB up to be Jesus. I really could give a shit since whenever Jets, and Phins fans argue its the same recycled shit over, and over. We been arguing this stupid shit for 2-3months now.
Henne was responsible for not scoring in between those drives. Even a couple of extended possessions reduces the time for the opponent to score!
who elses fault are passes tipped at the line, but henne? so he had no part in the offenses inefficiency early in the games, but he is the sole reason that they came back later? for most of those second halfs, those teams were playing a bend but dont break D, c'mon son! and 322 yards on 55 attemps may not be playing poorly, but it sure isnt playing well EDIT: spelling mishap
How many points did the O score in the first half of that Hou game? THREE, on pace for SIX! Huge deficits are on the QB and the O as well, if he was leading them to points, using the clock, keeping his D off the field maybe it is 20-10 at the half instead of 27-3 and then maybe you have a chance in the 2nd half. The defense AND henne and the O. To blame the D alone is silly. You guys want to blame the D for getting you in a big hole while henne and the O couldn't score then credit henne for leading a "comeback" yet in order to come bakc you have to stop the opponent from scoring so how come your D doesn't get any credit for playing better in 2nd halves? Boht the O led by henne and the D failed you in your most important games, Henne put up what look like decent #s b/c he threw a million times in garbage time w/ his team trailing big.
What you're saying is completely ridiculous for a number of reasons. 1) The QB play cannot be isolated in the manor you're attempting to do (whatever that is). Regardless of how much you want to ignore all other factors, you cannot. You cannot have a reception without a receiver. You cannot take a snap without the center and you cannot have time without the o-line. The list goes on and on and on. 2) There is another team on the field and another QB on the field. Both of them play against our #1 defense. 3) Our offense revolved around our running game, not our passing game. Sanchez was protected by our #1 defense and #1 running game. 4) What does your statment even mean? What exactly are you limiting your analysis to? When Sanchez didn't make mistakes we generally won. That was typically because he had a very good surrounding cast, not because he was lighting the other defense up through the air.
So you're saying that the pass was at the right height, and the right velocity... but maybe an inch or 2 to the right? I'm sorry... but you are supposed to catch a pass when it hits you in the hands. And we arent talking about a diving attempt where it hit him in the hands. We are talking about standing still, facing and staring back at the QB... and it hits him in the hands maybe only an inch to the right from being the perfect pass... and thats on the QB? Sorry bro... theres absolutely no way thats on the QB at all. I know he had one against the Bengals. But how many dropped passes did Ginn have in the endzone? lol! You guys had much better redzone targets... there really is no debate to that...
There is absolutely some responsibilty on the QB to avoid tipped passes, as well as responsibility on the OLman to keep the DLman's hands down. The point was that those werent "chokes" or off target throws, or mis-reads of the defense or forcing the ball in or anything like that. And I NEVER stated the bolded part regarding the Tennesse game... ever. And 300+ yards on 64% completion on 55 attempts isnt playing well?!? I'm sorry, but thats a damn good game for any QB, let alone an inexperienced one...
Had to fix this. BTW, as most of you know I'm a huge Michigan fan and I followed Henne there pretty closely from the moment he stepped on the field as a freshman for the Wolverines as the hope to be the great Michigan QB that has always eluded them. He's a very good QB in terms of mechanics but he loses the big game with mind-numbing consistency. It got to the point when he was there that I was dreading watching the biggest game of the year, the Ohio State game, because I knew that whatever Henne did, good or bad, the Wolverines were going to lose the game. The bowl games were disappointments too, although Henne was not the cause most of the time, the team just had no heart in big games. This was at a time when they were still very good and tracking in the top 10 pretty consistently but they played much smaller than that in the big games. This is why Henne slipped down to the no-man's land of the middle 2nd round before he got drafted. I was watching him in the draft and wondering if the Jets were going to take a shot at him at the end of the 1st or early in the 2nd. I was watching Harris too, because even after the Victor Hobson fiasco I like having Wolverines on the Jets if they're good. I was quietly relieved when they dodged the Henne bullet because I'd spent enough time watching his teams lose games they had to win at the end of the season.
the bold part applies to every game, the point is that henne also had a hand if they were down big 322 yards on 55 attempts = 5.85 yards per attempt, including yac ... that means a lot of short, controlled completions. indicative of a defense allowing a team to methodically move the ball but not give up the big play im not impressed
Our #1 defense collapsed down the stretch of many games. we were #1 in name, we did not have a dominant defense. if we had a dominant defense we easily win 2-3 more games. You have to go into a season w/ a rookie expecting him to cost you a handful of games, he cost us 3 really so that wasn't that bad. The statement is pretty clear, for those that want to blame the QB why we lost 7 games that isn't being fair. He played really well in both Miami games and our D blew the first one while our STs blew the 2nd one, while he didn't play well in the Atlanta game 2 missed kicks and the D allowing Atlanta to go right down the field w/ the game on the line cost us that game and he was good enough against jax but again our supposed dominant D allowed the opponent to march right down the field w/ the game on the line.
If Sanchez has a good relatively mistake free season last year we win maybe 2 more games than we did. The Buffalo game and the Atlanta game were clear missed opportunities that went awry because Sanchez had bad games. @New Orleans and @New England were tough games to win even if Sanchez didn't throw some picks. You can argue pretty strongly that Drew Brees performance (he had back to back bad showings against the Bills and Jets in week 3 and 4 and a really lousy one against the Dolphins week 6) was the only thing that kept the Jets close in that game. The game at New England was Tom Brady's show - Sanchez bad performance just made the margin of defeat greater.
We're not talking about how many games he cost us. We're talking about which QB performed better last year. Henne was asked to do more with less and did. I find it hiliarious that you blame the defense for a loss that we gave up 10 points but blame Henne for losses where his defense allowed 27, 27 and 30. You're a hypocrite.
I've said all along henne had the better overall year but when the games were biggest Sanchez stepped up and henne stepped back. Yes we had more talent BUT Edwards came here after 4 games and had no offseason or TC w/ Sanchez, Cotch missed a couple of games and was hurt and milted in others, leon missed most of the year. Not to mention henne had the luxury of watching for a season plus and had no pressure on him when he became the starter w/ Miami at 0-3. In any of those 27, 27, 30 games did the Dolphin D allow game winning drives on the final drives by their opponent? I didn't blame the D solely anyway, I said sanchez did not play well BUt that 2 missed easy kicks(one a bobbled hold) and the D coming up small in a big spot again on the last real Atl drive cost us the game just like the last 3 losses weren't all on henne or all on their D- they both played huge roles in their collapse.
