If it is about the whole season you need to understand our OL has been mediocre/poor a good portion of it. We tried to run early in the season but we couldn't and we got down early b/c of it and had to throw.
I totally agree with you guys--Greene is not used properly at all ! To make matters worse yesterday----to show how bad Shotty is at times---Greene is running amuck as you guys stated but is taken OUT of the game,,,,so even if Shotty wanted to fake the run or play action or SCREEN he takes # 23 out of the game----I don't know about you guys but when LT came in I knew the play and I am sure the Eagles knew it as well
We changed our offensive philosopy going into the season. They wanted to pass more this year thinking that Sanchez was in year 3 and ready for that. That was a HUGE mistake in my opinion now - which is the same as it was then. We had very little training camp time, we lost Braylon and had to work in Plax. We should have maintained the ground and pound from the start. Instead we had to change course during the season.
That really wasn't directed at you, but the OL has been pretty good since the San Diego game, and that was over 2 months ago. Ok, I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie, but no one else sees a problem with your featured back not getting 25 carries in a game, even once? I do. I also have a problem with passing 5 times in a row (which I'll emphasize, did not happen yesterday) when our running game is getting 6 yards a carry. I'm still dumbfounded Schottenheimer called 3 passing plays in a row after Sanchez took that brutal late, helmet-to-helmet hit in Washington 2 weeks ago. But, hey, that's the guy's MO, right?
Thank you....this was kinda my point from the beginning. All season, basically, too. You, too, Murrell, my sentiments exactly.
You wouldn't have posted your OP today if it weren't for what happened yesterday. The Jets went into yesterday planning on using Greene a lot more, but you have to deal with the circumstances in the game. I did read your whole post. And others here are in effect saying the Jets should not have been throwing to their #1 receiver because he ended up making two bad plays. And btw who later, when they STILL went to him, ended up scoring a TD. What is wrong with my making the point that others suggesting the Jets in effect should have given the ball to Greene on every play are just plain wrong? As for why the Jets did not use Greene more, and have not over the course of the season, I think the answer is quite a bit more complex than you seem to suggest.
I'm not about to suggest I have the answers for the team's short comings but I'm not ready to annoint Schotty's successor on this board because of hindsight criticism either. All the microcosms you want, Greene not getting enough touches as big as any, but with problems abound, it goes way beyond just Greene.
we weren't way better than Oakland, that was 2 bad teams playing that day. We ended up 6-10 and Oak 4-12. I completely disagree w/ this I don;'t care what they tell us. Our change in philosophy had everything to do w/ the fact that we couldn't run and we got behind early in games. Look at the 1st qtr of the season as evidence: week 1 vs. Dallas: down 10-0 early, playing catch up all night. pass 26 times, run 16 week 2 vs. jax: controlled game from the start, never in danger pass 24, rush 32 week 3 at oak: fell behind by 2 scores in 2nd half, had to throw pass 27, rush 25 week 4 at Bal: down from the start and down big most of game pass 35, rush 19 I know they gave us that line about changing philosphy but it was all about the struggles of the OL and not being able to run that forced us to pass more. They have been pretty good since that time and since the SD game: Greene 132 carries, 627 yds, 4.8 YPC He's averaged almost 20 carries agme(remember he went out early in the Den game) From Dal through Mia he ran it 93 times for 314 yds, 3.4 YPC The OL has been better opening holes and Greene has run better BUT sanchez was harrassed all night in the loss to NE and again yesterday.
You do realize it's week 15, right? Maybe I'm sick of it. Sanchez gets ripped a new asshole on this site, and every Jets forum, all the time. And, I understand Schotty does, too, but EVERY single one of us know Sanchez's shortcomings, why do we continually play into the defense's hands? I know the passing game is what gets all the ooh's and aah's from the fans, but without a running game--and let me emphasize, at 3 yards a carry or 8 yards a carry--there is no effective passing game. ...because, as a couple of you have pointed out, our pass protection has been less than stellar. If you can't play action pass, and our young QB is prone to rushing his passes or looking to check down right away, then NOTHING on offense is going to work. It's the whole tree in the forest metaphor...sometimes you gotta punt. Sometimes you have to get stuffed at the line. Sometimes, you might just keep running at 7 yards a click, though. I'm not a stubborn guy, and I see where a few of you are coming from, but you want to talk about "Ground and Pound?"...well, then run the ball more. Simply put, there's no magical formula.
Why was he getting harrassed so much in those games? An outside pass rusher dominating Hunter, and a DC not afraid to blitz every play because he knows we're passing. I get it, once we're down 3 TDs what are you gonna do....but once it was 28-10 towards the end of 1st half and it was clear we were gonna have the ball last, why not run. When we had the ball down 28-13, hardly the end of the game, why not run a little more.....
my biggest problem yesterday was the lack of help given to hunter ... with a speed rusher like babin, all it takes is a slight chip by a TE to slow him down ... we saw no adjustments on top of that, when babin was beating hunter like a drum, what to we do? run screen to bricks side ... huh?
The OP is taking this game as an example of history. Yes we got down, and obviously the gameplan needed to shift towards the pass. This is a generalization of how the game plan seems to go every week. We start with success on the ground, then Scotty thinks we can pass freely because we have shown the run. It's like he doesn't understand that the run game sets up the pass all game long, not just in the first quarter.
So we're supposed to just discount that statement why? You think that was just said to try to cover up for the fact that the run game wasn't working well? C'mon man, that seems very farfetched. And besides, if the O-line is letting pass rushers free to run at our QB, why exactly is it advantageous to pass more?
I liked when "help" (in the form of Ducasse and Mulligan!) was put on the left side, where it was probably not needed. Have we ever run screens to the right? Moore has clearly lost a step and I wouldn't trust Hunter to have the wherewithal to block in space.
They lost focus on the running game. That is fairly obvious. You could see that when you look at the run / pass ratio on first down thru the first couple of games.
haha, that was just terrible we do, but rarely ... we did last week on LdTs touchdown, mangold got out there and made a great block hunter is pretty athletic and he actually does well in space ... his pass pro problems are technique related, he leans too much and is easily pushed off balance because of it
Its funny, on the first series after another nice Greene run we went to a 5 WR set...You got to be fn kidding me, but Sanchez did make a nice throw but Holmes coughed it up... After these huge runs how are we not going PLAY ACTION but instead take the threat of the run out completely....
Not really on Schotty yesterday. The turnovers killed them early and the pass rush was just pinning their ears back at 21-0 especially with Hunter being a major liability and the Eagles knew it. One issue which is brought up is Schotty's feel for the game. This was evident when they threw the screen pass to LT for the 4 yard loss after Greene just gashed them 4 straight plays on the first possession. You throw screens to slow down a rush and throwing a screen on the FIRST pass attempt of the game is puzzling to say the least. What pass rush was there to slow down at the time??? They had not even ATTEMPTED a pass yet. Puzzling to me.
a few reasons- -Hunter's struggles -Mangfold's injury -Brandon Moore missing all of camp and not being 100% -running game was non existant Yes I think they were covering up, they can tell us abou the philosophy shift all they want but it was clearly dictated by the struggles of the ground game which was b/c of the OL early in the year. When you are down big and can't run you have to try to pass, right?
