It seems like some of the complaints about the use of Greene in yesterday's game do not take into account that the Jets actually did stick with the running game even when down by several scores. After scoring 13 straight points to be within striking distance of making it a game, the Jets opened the second half with the ball. On first down they give it to Greene, for 2 yards. Second down, they give it to Greene. 3 more yards. Now it's third and five, a passing down for sure. And Kerley makes the catch to pick up ten. Now it's first down again. And they give it to Greene, again, who, again, picks up only two yards. Second down Sanchez runs it for two more. Now it's third down again, and six. Another obvious passing down, which they fail to convert, have to punt, Philly scores another TD on the ensuing possession, and the game was effectively over at that point. I can see making the argument they tried too hard to rely on Greene rather than that they did not try enough. Even after going 35-13, what was the first Jet play from scrimmage? Hand off to Greene. For three yards. On second and seven, they try a screen to Greene, who does not make the catch. Now it's third and seven, another obvious passing down. Oh but wait! Hunter draws a penalty, and on third and 12, Sanchez is sacked. Hard to say the Jets should have been running it more there.
It's a damn shame that we have to hope the Dolphins help us get rid of his sorry ass. Rex needs to be put on notice, the sideshow shit is wearing thin.
Yeah, I mean we came out running the ball. Maybe we should have run it more, but you can't expect Holmes to screw things up as badly as he did and have it hurt us so acutely. A turnover for a TD and a red-zone TD, and both hit Holmes in the numbers. You win with balanced football. The Jets aren't a good enough running team where we can just ground and pound like 2009 and move the ball consistently. We need balance. Unfortunately, nothing on offense has clicked all season.
Precisely. I think too many people are second guessing the calls from the fact that the two Holmes plays in particular went badly, but that was on execution. The simple fact is you can't run the ball all the time.
You don't even know football strategy. You basically lost every sliver of respect I might have for you right there. You stick it to them till they find a way to stop it. That is the start of EVERY FOOTBALL STRATEGY. If Eagles cannot stop the run, WHY FUCKING BOTHER PASSING? Even Woody Hayes would tell you this: "When you throw the football, three things can happen. Two of them are bad." Combine that with the fact that Eagles D couldn't stop Greene early on. This means, if it takes 16 straight hand offs to Greene, the offense should do it. (Remember the Miracle at the Meadowlands years ago? Guess how Dolphins built up huge lead early in the game - when they realized Jets couldn't stop their passing attack, they kept passing; that is, they passed for 10+ plays. You are saying that Dolphins should have stopped passing at some point to run, right? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID????) p.s. Calling 10+ straight passes or rushes is NOT unheard of in the realm of NFL, nor should it be avoided, if the situation warrants it. YOU MUST NOT TRY TO PASS OR RUN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF BALANCE. You go with what is EFFECTIVE. We generally prefer balanced approach as it makes both passing and rushing attack effective, not the other way.
Zach, Come on, they had run Greene four straight times, and went with a screen to LT, which is basically a running play, not much different from a lateral, and it was stopped for a loss, putting them in second and fourteen. You are pissed that they attempted a pass on second and 14?
Why did they come out on 1st down in shotgun and three wide receivers after just running it down their throats. Then they run a screen? Who the hell runs a screen on 1st down? That is my gripe.
Please don't make an asinine comment like that, it's basic football. This isn't the 50s anymore, you try to keep teams of balance. We ran it well and got into good FP then we threw it and COMPLETED THE PASS. The WR then fumbled, that's playcalling? You sound like one of those who says run until they stop you then when they stop us and set up a 2nd and 12 you say why didn't we pass? Do me a favor and find all the examples of 10 straight runsin the 1st qtr of games? Not the 4th when a team may be trying to run out the clock or passing to come back. Let's see what you come up w/. By the way, after we recovered the muff on the punt we ran Green on 1st down and got zero yds- was this b/c we passed on the 1st drive? It's so silly the way you guys make up excuses to bash the OC. Yesterday was a team loss where everyone had a hand in it, to single out the OC is beyond silly.
Is there a rule against running a screen on first down? It seems to me like setting up the play to look like a pass play to one of the wideouts and then throwing it to an RB on a screen was designed to take advantage of their pass rush, and on a down where you get to see how it works without risking a third down and out. And I frankly do not have it recorded, but usually Greene takes himself out after getting the least bit winded. He'd run four in a row and the last for thirteen yards. Makes sense to me to try a screen to LT, which is basically a running play. The only problem is Sanchez telegraphed the play and Matthews did a great job sniffing it out.
Greene does need more carries. Unfortunately yesterday was a complete breakdown. Hunter sucks, Smith is slow, and Bart Scott covering a TE. Ugh!
