I'll be pleasantly shocked if we go over .500 before the bye week. The 49er's went 2-14 in '79 and 6-10 in '80 with Walsh and Montana in their first two years. That's a lot of repetition. I still think it's going to take a while till we start winning consistently. And speaking of Millen...he did know how to "beat" the Patriots.
Thats basically what NE does. Its why the replaced Welker with Chinadolladola. Same College system, taught to find the soft spots.
Ummmm...geno..is starting the season...on the Bench. Sanchez is better than Locker, whoever the Jills start, and Freeman. The organization isnt rolling the dice, in the first 4 weeks..... If Geno looks like Joe Montana, that may change..but I doubt it.
Not if Sanchez doesn't step it up. I dig your optimism, but a 3-1 start is wishful thinking at best. New scheme, new qb, no Holmes... We may end up with a worse record than last season.
1. I didn't know Jets dug Walsh out of the grave to install WCO. 2. You just don't get it, do you? Jets had NO offense last year. Read that again. NO offense. They STILL won 6 despite that. Do you honestly think MM-led offense they run this year can possibly perform worse than last year's unit? Tony Sparano is - at least on my book now - the Mark Sanchez of offensive coordinators. Hell, Brian didn't stink up like he did. Marty's offense did rank at some #28 or so, for the record. Is this team as horrible as that Detroit team, which featured the likes of Mike McMahon and Joey Harrington? Jesus. [The whole TEAM completed less than 50% of passes that season. That is whole lot worse than Mark has ever done.] 3. Matt Millen the linebacker is a champion. That's what you got in the picture. Matt Millen the GM is a fucking idiot. That's what Marty had to put up with. It looks like you are confusing a lot of facts to take a witty jab. Learn to recognize the relevant facts first. That will go a long way.
Geez Zach... Calm down. I'm no confusing anything. I just gave an example of a team that converted to WCO and had some trouble getting wins the first two years. I'd love to hear about a team that went to the WCO and had success quickly. Got one?
If you STILL don't understand: Pulling MEDIOCRE is a success for this offense. They had NO offense last year - and STILL won 6. By success, if you are looking for top 10, probably you won't find much luck. If you are content with 14-18th offense, you WILL be in for a treat. Jesus. How can THIS simple concept be THIS difficult to understand?
This is really the key. People who complained about the Jets defense must have somehow missed all the short fields they were given from the constant turnovers, lack of points scored when our defense forced a turnover, and the ridiculous amount of time they spent on the field. Even if the offense doesn't score any more points this year then last year, and is below average, just eliminating the turnovers and making a few first downs gives the defense a chance to carry you. It doesn't matter how good your defense is if your offensive turns the ball over 4x a game and goes three and out the rest of the time.
Ive read so many articles in the last 2 weeks I just can't remember....may even have been Geno Smith. One article said Geno is a lot like Manning in his line calls. Geno had 'permission' to change any play at any time in college, based on what he saw from the defense. Article said in his big 7 TD game he changed 80% of the plays in the huddle and 50% again at the line of scrimmage after he saw how the defense adjusted.
What exactly am I not getting? What "simple concept" are you bitching about"? Hobbes predicted 3 wins in the first four games and I responded that it may take a while for the team to get results out of an entirely new offensive scheme that quickly. By success, I mean wins. Pretty simple really. I think we'll be better on offense. How much better and how soon is the issue. Try and keep up. I've already predicted 8 wins this season. That was based on our defense and our schedule. I asked you if you can name a team that had immediate success after going with the WCO. Still waiting...
let's look at the blown leads: 2009: at Miami: blew 2 4th qtr leads. first TD drive started at Mia 16, 2nd at Mia 30 vs. Jax: Jets have 22-21 lead w/ 5 mins left. Jax takes over at Jax17 vs. Atl: 4 pt lead w/ under 5 mins, Atl takes over at their 27 3 blown late leads, not one short field. 2010: at Cle: TD lead w/ 2 1/2 to play, Cle starts at their 41 after good KR vs. hou: blows 23-7 lead. FG to cut it to 23-10, Hou started at their 22. TD to cut it to 23-17, Hou started at NYJ 43 after Greene fumble, TD to make it 24-23 Hou started at Hou 27 2011: at Den: 3 pt lead w/ 5 mins left, Den started on their 5 at Mia: 4 pt lead, Miami started on their 6 2012: at Mia: 3 pt lead w/ 3 mins left, Mia takes over at Mia 29. at NE: 3 pt lead w/ under 2 mins to play, NE starts at their 21. That myth is shattered, any more I need to take care of?
Junc, you're shattering a bunch of myths today. Your posts become more and more revealing. Keep 'em coming!
9 times over 4 years time? So really in 7% of Jets games in the Rex RYan era..they have blown leads.Not saying this is ever a good thing..but c'mon.ALL defenses blow leads. 7% over that sample size is more than acceptable. Considering that during most of that timeframe they had absolutely NO pass rush...makes me even MORE excited for the future. As Zach stated..if this offense is even AVERAGE.Meaning they cut down on the self inflicted wounds , get a few more big plays a game & improves field position..this team could win a lot of games. The defense has performed exceptionally well despite being vastly shorthanded in the front 7 in terms of athleticism & explosion. That will no longer be the case. The interior has an overwhelming number of athletes capable of splitting double teams,collapsing the pocket & getting penetration. Improved offense(by default) & a possibly even better defense that was ALREADY a top 10 unit=More wins
That's 9 late leads, there were a bunch of other double digit leads blown before the 4th or leads blown where we got the lead back and won then the D held on,... Our D has been good to very good and on occasion great but they haven't been nearly as good as some of the #s indicate. There's no doubt we won primarily b/c the D led us but if the D stepped up more we would have won a lot more.
Too bad there's no West Coast Defense, huh Junc? But seriously...this thread was started to get opinions on how soon the change over to the WCO would start to reap benefits for this team? I know we had a shitty O last year. I've said in previous postings how we desperately need to get 1st downs and move the chains. Anybody with half a football brain can see that. Hobbes predicted 3 wins in the first 4 games, so he's confident the results will be immediate. I'm of the opinion that it might take half a season for things to flourish. I have no doubts about the offense improving...but I'm not so sure Sanchez is the best qb for this scheme. Redskins & 49er's are teams that did well with the WCO, but got way better with a dynamic qb. Thoughts?
What the fuck? I didn't make that claim (1) and you didn't make any response to that claim when you took a shot at my post (2). Are you dumb? Read the fucking post again, retard. I have lined out a few guidelines: 1. Jets had no offense or talent 2. Still they won 6. 3. THIS YEAR CANNOT POSSIBLY BE AS BAD AS THE OFFENSE OF LAST YEAR. Even with time it takes to learn the new system. 4. I also specified what I meant by success - pulling mediocre performance alone would be more than sufficient, and I even told you what metric it would mean [14-18th, from 23rd] You later came in to say "By success I mean wins" bullshit. Winning and losing is a function of a team effort more or less - thus pinning the entire [winning] as an offensive performance barometer is not only unfair but also stupid. Can't you read? Read the post again, son. I gave you everything you were looking for in the response already.
The objective is immediate improvement. Mainly b/c Last year the Jets pretty much had TWFO in the NFL. Its not simply a matter of changing over to the WCO. Its a matter of eliminating malfunctioning pieces and replacing them with functioning pieces. For Example - A) Malfunction: Sparano was TERRIBLE - Response: Replaced w/MM B) Malfunction: Sanchez sucked - Response: Challenged/Replaced by Geno; C) Malfunction: Sanchez sucked - Response: fire Cavanaugh D) Malfunction: BMoore Got too old and Slauson was never very good - Response: Replaced by Willie Colon/Peterman. The Offense should improve from being TWFO in the NFL.
