Smash Mouth, Ball Control, Move the chains type of Offense this year from the Jets?

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  1. Bosko

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    Punching Holes!

    Okay, I'll take a shot at pointing out your mistakes.

    Can I point out all the typos in your post? And that you must be drunk as hell, or really stupid, to post something like this?

    Try AA. Otherwise, take some classes in English.
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Bosko's best post to date.. Good work.
     
  3. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    So Callahan's hiring is moot due to Guard size - because he of course can't work with what he's given- he's just not that good :mad:... and, if I'm reading it correctly, Coles and Cotch's #'s weren't inflated due to Chad's arm strength - but the screen passes, which makes them talented YAC WRs. So if the #'s weren't inflated, they were honest #'s, which makes them good players due to non-bullshit throws and receptions??? Sounds logical. :up:

    Also, IMHO - any WR that can take the beating after a Chad throw after his 2 surgeries is a talented WR in my book.. minus Justin McCareins.
     
  4. Raiderjoe

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    Good job Bosko, maybe you should go to a writing board, because this is a football board. When you bring something related to the topic of thread, than you will impress me.
     
  5. Raiderjoe

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    This sounds alot like the lesson I gave you on the diffrence between the cut block and the chop block. You claim I contradicted myself , than i explain to you what the diffrence was. Instead of admitting your error, you claimed my post was hard to read.


    I think its time for another football lesson Kid. Do you know the diffrence between a Man on man blocking scheme, and a zone blocking scheme? Do you know what your looking for in an olineman in both schemes? Callahan OLine is a man on man blocking scheme. So your telling me it really dosen't matter if your guards are really small. Than tell me why Callahan stated why he prefers his guards to be massive. (when he was with the Raiders)

    See Jets OLIne a couple years ago. That Oline was also small, and Jets had trouble converted those obvious third and shorts. (because there OLIne couldn't move anyone off the line of scrimmage) I don't care what your girlfriend/Boyfriend told you. Size does matter.(especially in a man onj man blocking scheme)


    Nobody in the NFL consideres this a top Wr duo(coles and cotchery), despite the inflated numbers both put up in a very conservative offense. (alot of short passes) There is a reason why Callahan was brought in , and its not just for the oline. ITs another coach/voice to help Little Marty get a more exciting/ modern offense. Jet offense dosen't scare anyone. YOu have no playmakers on offense. Watch that Kansas City game again, and see how horrible that offense was. Your trying to be a power running team, good luck. with that short passsing offense. Since defenses don't have to worry about anyone hurting them deep, you can put more defenders in the box.
     
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  6. Jersey Joe 67

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    only thing i see us lacking, on offense, is a "true" #1 reciever. we just don't have one.
     
  7. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Strange comparison, that. Ferguson is an offensive lineman. Bosworth was a linebacker. Ferguson is not a blowhard. Bosworth was a very cocky "look at me" type of guy.
    If you are going to imply Ferguson is looking like a bust, it'd be better to compare him to guys like Robert Gallery and Mike Williams.
     
  8. Hemi

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    You sound like Keyshawn Johnson on that NFL replay against the Colts a few weeks ago.

    Harrison catches a five yard out pattern from Manning....Key says "yeah, that's where he gets all those catches, I see how he gets all those stats".

    The Jets are not a vertical offense, at least not with Chad in there. At least the guys catch the ball.
     
  9. TampaBayJetsFan85

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    Not alot of NFL Fans know this, but the starting LT position is the hardest position to translate from the college level to the Pros. Just the fact that Ferguson has been a starter for his first two years in the league is a plus, look @ young quaterbacks, most of them dont even start untill the 3rd or sometimes even 4th years in the leauge, Ferguson was thrown into the fire as a rookie, going up against some of the best defensive ends to play the game in a long time... Players like Seymour, Jason Taylor, Dwight Freeney, I can go on and on... And as a rookie, he had to fight but he lasted and the Jets made the playoffs. Last year Ferguson was in a bad position, having to protect for a QB in Kellen, who was a 1st year starter and also trying to run block next to a LG by the name of Montgomery who should have never made it past training camp.

    Mark my words, in another 3 years, D'Brickishaw Ferguson will be known as one of the best starting LT's in the league. This year Ferguson will be a 3rd year starter, and so will Mangold. Ferguson will also be playing alongside one of the best LG's in Faneca to ever play the game and mark my words, Faneca is no Pete Kendall or should I say Kendall is no Alan Faneca, Ferguson will learn alot from this man, interms of run blocking and even pass protecting for the Quarterback.

    Thoms Jones rushed for 1119 yeards last year with an average of 3.6, he did all of that as a 1st year back with the Jets behind an O-Line that had Montgomery and Clement, another player that would be a 3rd string lineman on just about ANY team, next year behind Ferguson and Mangold... Both will be entering the season as 3rd year starters, with the additions of Faneca and Woody with a TE in Keller who can stretch the field and keep the defenses honest, I look for Thomas Jones to rush for over 1500 yards with an average from 3.9-4.0 yards per carry.
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Just because it is a football board doesn't mean that you have to act like you just got a concussion before you posted.
     
  11. JetMonkey

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    What I don't understand is why Jeaux keeps bragging about his Denver blocking scheme that led his team to be 6th in rushing. YOU FINISHED THE SEASON 4-12; JUST LIKE THE JETS...

    The Oakland Raiders are not gonna accomplish anything amazing this season. I am fairly sure the Raiders are not going to make the playoffs this season, or next; not until LaDainion Tomlinson retires...
     
  12. NDmick

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    Your posts are hard to read, and that zone/man blocking schemes have gotten the Raiders no more than 5 wins in 5 seasons. So the lesson was complete bullshit.
    read this: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=860361&postcount=1 and don't compare my beloved team to Oakland, we aren't the laughing stock of the league.


    Now the #'s are inflated? in the other post is says they aren't.. whatever.

    Callahan will be doing more than O-Line coaching, I know that. It was discussed by the board when he was hired. Me and you on the same page? Wow. High Five!!

    Playmakers- no, hopefully Keller (not in his rookie year) or with the Line being fixed the running game gets off the ground. 1,119 yrds for Jones behind the 30th best O-Line is impressive. When the math is done, a top 12 Line can get TJ 1,300 yrds and 9 TDs, plus whatever Leon Washington adds.

    Clemens being the starter adds a deep ball. We've seen it from him, so that will help with the deep threat ability. Coles has the speed, everyone knows that.
     
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  13. Raiderjoe

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    Last Raider post, Im no thread hijacker.
    WHY do I keep harping on Raiders sixth rank rushiing. You can run the ball consistantly well + have a dominat defense= playoffs are in your future.


    Raiders didn't get that defense last year due to injuries. Raiders upgraded that defense this offseason. Jets are trying to use a similair game plan as the Raiders.
     
  14. dabrowsk1

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    What the hell is wrong with you? This is the SECOND time in a second thread that you claim not to be hijacking a thread and then continue to do so. This is the 3rd or 4th thread you have hijacked and turned into a Raiders discussion. You have been trolling these boards all morning and it is getting annoying.

    Also didn't a Mod make a thread for Jets/Raiders just for you and told you to post on it? And this post was 5 minutes ago? Do you have problems reading?
     
  15. GSourJr

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    Getting back on topic: I think the Jets will be a heavy rush team with small, yet lethal doses of long passes to Coles, Cotch, Keller and Stuckey once the safeties have rolled up to help.

    I'm looking for the Jets to average 24 pts a game on offense...16pts on defense.
     
  16. notjustQBs

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    Just in case anybody cares, to have a dominant OL doesn't necessarily require the largest players. I think that quickness and technique will beat size and slowness every time. And I also woudn't forget about misdirection -- it can be a killer when a DL expects the OG to hit him again and then it's the C blind-siding him instead.

    Sometimes people actually discover that successfully applied quickness and creative techniques also prove very helpful in setting up traps, anywhere along the line of scrimmage.

    When the OL learns to work together, all things are more possible: set up expectations and then deliver something else. I have seen this get those DL's heads swiveling back and forth wondering where it's coming from next.

    It seems like successful OLs tend to crack a lot of heads and a lot of jokes. You don't really have to be humongous, slow, angry, and stupid to be a great OL Big Ugly, in my opinion. I also think that being a monster DL doesn't always help you with a well-trained and ferocious OL either.

    The one thing you cannot forgive however is a finesse OL that pushes on people, doesn't know how to block, and will fold up and quit at the first forearm shiver. I think OLs have to be prepared to deliver the first real blows, not just catch and hope to ride the other guy.
     
  17. jdon

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    you have to be able to throw to win. this is the new NFL. we are not going to run the ball 80% of the time. This new O line is there to protect the QB first and foremost. Not to protect a noodle arm.
     
  18. Br4d

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    I highly doubt that the Jets have the capability or interest to turn into a smash-mouth run it down your throat kind of football team. You need real size on the line to do that and the Jets are still an average to small offensive line, with their biggest guy Damien Woody being more of a finesse player than a driver. When I see a few guys along that line in the 330-350 lb range I'll buy that smash-mouth might be in the offing.

    Faneca was the smallest guy on the Steeler's offensive line. Their smashmouth attack got in trouble the last couple of seasons and they've replaced him with a real 345 lb hog.
     
  19. Zach

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    How about #1 QB?
     
  20. S+M=S Giants

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    What do Jets fans consider smash mouth football out of curiosity? Also, what did you guys run last year, zone, ISO, lead, counter, trap, power or "g"? What do you guys run as a bread and butter and how will it change with the addition of Faneca?

    Smashmouth football is such a general term that it really doesn't talk about what's going on in terms of Xs and Os of the run game. Are you talking more I pro sets with a FB in tow, and man blocking up front? To me smash mouth is really an overused term, I'd rather have some sort of indentity in the running game via concept plays, and then adjust based from there.
     

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