A horrendous super bowl showing still implies an excellent regular season, divisional round, and championship game showing. I don't think you can dismiss those. Mahomes, like Brady, has made a lot of defenses look bad. That D was legit, they got to the SB with that quarterback.
No disagreement but I’m all for out of the box thinking these days to right the ship. Imagine having two top ten QB’s battling it out in camp? It would at least be fun. I know it’s not realistic to do that though. But we have a mountain of picks over two years. It’d be fascinating to see.
God no. Please, no. Please Have you been seeing what's happening in Cleveland? The entire media is consumed with a QB controversy. The guy everybody was screaming for has a Geno-level performance and there are as many excuses for him as are for the other guy. Myles Garrett is about to break the single season sack record and possibly repeat as DPOY, and literally nobody cares. The GM and coach are almost certain to get fired. He already gave up OC duties. On a more serious note, I believe QB is actually a position where you can't afford two rookies. Either one will get no practice time at all, or neither will get enough practice time. That's what has happened with the Browns, and why I think it is a bad idea to have two rookies you have to evaluate. Even in 2012 the WFT drafted RG3 and Cousins, but RG3 got all the reps and they had Rex Grossman. It wasn't until RG3 started to get injured that Cousins started succeeding. Here's a slightly different take on your idea. Draft Mendoza or Simpson. Trade up if you have to. Then, trade out of the top of 2027 for firsts in 28 and seconds in 27. Build depth in the team, and fire your shot in 28 if the guy we get isn't great for two years. Then, don't play the new guy in 28, give Mendoza a last year while you grow the new guy.
It's a lot, but if you believe Mendoza is the guy then you pay it. Patsies turned down exactly that deal for Maye (3 first round picks). Bet they don't regret it now.
Easiest way to ensure you get Smith in 2027? Keep Justin Fields. Guaranteed 1st overall pick. Profit!
Eh that’s because Stefanski openly has disdain for Shedeur and Shedeur’s like the most hated 5th round draft pick in history by the general public lol. The problem is that I think the 2027 class is going to be truly loaded with first round guys. Whether any of them pan out or not, who knows. I think Moore & Sellers go back to school. Then you have Sayin (OSU), Marcel Reed (A&M), Sam Leavitt (Arizona State). That’s 4 guys right there with CFB playoff experience. Who knows what happens with Lagway (Florida) under a new coach. Darian Mensh (Duke) might be an option and same with CJ Bailey (NC State). It’d be so Jets to take a QB in 2026 and miss out on a 1984 or 2004 class but with potentially even more volume.
Until we draft a popular backup in 2027 Agreed with you about Stefanski. You don't want to coach the players your team has, get new players or resign. Stop with this stupid civil disobedience. Reminds me of the old baseball GM vs manager fights - "You ain't cutting him? Well I ain't playing him". Idiots, Yes, my master plan has the small flaw that it skips out on possibly the best draft in five years . Although who can tell? Over hyped drafts bust out often. Look at the 2021 QB draft. It's not an enviable position the Jets find themselves in. What's new? All said and done though, the core of your idea is right. Go get the best guy you can in 2026. Who knows what happens in 27? Maybe the 27 guys will suck or stay in school and the 28 draft becomes the gold mine.
So we trade three premium pick to move up a max of two or three spots for a may be top QB with arguably a second QB rated even higher by some still on the board. Utter disgusting BS. Let Cleveland grab him and they will destroy his chances if any.
I'm starting to lean more and more to the roster upgrade before drafting the FQB. With only 2 top tier QB's coming out and one of those with only one year experience as a starter, I'm not so sure we should go that route. What we need more urgently is a roster upgrade. Faster WR's and DB's. Bigger at DL and LB. We also need more experience on the sidelines as well. Let Engstrand get another year under his belt as OC. Get Wilks outta here and hire a competent DC. Above all else, get Glenn another year in the big chair so he can continue his OJT as HC. At QB, sign a functional Vet to hold the fort until '27 and perhaps serve as a mentor to our FQB who most likely will need bench time to actually see how the NFL game is played on offense. Mike White perhaps? Maybe we need to pump the brakes on an immediate helter/skelter rebuild approach and instead, do it slower and smarter for stability and longevity. Perhaps the Fanbase won't like it, but longterm it makes more sense. We already have an abundance of 1st round picks in both '26 and '27 so we really don't have to be at the rock bottom to be in the mix for a '27 FQB. If necessary, we can parlay one of those picks to move up if that's what it takes. I trust Mougey to make the right decision. I don't trust this CS at this time to be able to develop a kid into a functional NFL QB. Give everybody another year in place and then lets have that FQB conversation.
Here is my concern with this approach. Say we get a Mariotta, Mac Jones type at QB, get bottom 3d play there (but not #32) and upgrade the roster as much as we can. We end up perhaps like a Detroit in their second year of rebuild, about 7-9 wins. Heck maybe even make play-offs with 9 wins and lose in the first round. We end up with say 15-20 pick. To go from there to get top 2-3 pick may simply be impossible, like it wasn't in 2024 draft. If there are indeed top level prospects, price will be astronomical or not even for sale at all. In 2021 49ers paid 3 first round picks and a 3d to move from 12 to 3, and this is with only two QBs (Lawrence and Zach) who were considered as consensus top. Others (Lance, Jones, Fields) were looked at as much more flawed, there was no consensus whom 49ers would even draft, while 1 and 2 were locked. The point is, beyond 1st couple, which may not be for sale at all or at astronomical price, you may have guys who are even worse than Mendoza/Simpson/Moore. And also for a huge price to move up to get them. So, I think that unless we end up with too low of a pick this year where we would have to trade up a lot to get one of these 3 guys, we need to grab one of them this year, assuming we think they are good (even if not great) prospects. That's just a smart move IMO. And then if this guys plays like Josh Rosen did, we will probably end up winning fewer games than 7-9, and will be in better position to pick a top prospect QB AGAIN in 2027, while JoshRosening the 2026 guy. We need to keep trying to get a good top QB prospect in the draft again and again until we end up with one. If anything, maybe the mistake of last year was that we did not try to get Dart. It's hard to tell. But the bottom line is, we need to try to get top good talented QB in every draft if we don't think we have one on the roster. IMO the only reason don't draft one of the Mendoza/Simpson/Moore is because we don't think they are good prospects or it takes too much of a price to get them. Otherwise we need to come out with one of them in this draft, which is what I think will happen.
Have to get one this year, way too risky to wait. Bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush, if we wait till next year the Jetsian thing to do would go 7-9 and miss the playoffs but pick in the middle of round one. Will cost all 3 1's to get up from there, if we pick top 3 this year I just don't see not taking one. Fact is the board will change drastically between now and then and this may not even be a discussion, hate talking draft this early every year.
I'm generally against trading up, but it's really not the end of the world to do it for a QB. Take Quinnen and Sauce for example, two all-pros. Does anyone think we'd be better off with them than with a good QB? Of course not. A good QB is easily worth more than both combined. You could probably even stretch this logic to 3 good non-QBs vs. 1 good QB. It is really hard to overstate how important QB is. It's a prerequisite for being good unless your roster is stacked everywhere else and you have a very good coach.
Yeah, trading up for a QB may be an exception to the general rule. Let's say Moore declares and we really like him but he requires extra 1st and 2nd to trade up a few spots for or we lose him. Basically we are trading up from our own pick and giving up Q for a top QB prospect whom we really like. That is not a terrible deal at all IMO if the prospect is very good.
Of course, just look at what drafting QBs has done to this team. Build the effin team for one learn form your former GM mistakes, I know I am asking a lot, and don't under any circumstances trade up for a mediocre QB.
That D was legit because of who was roving that side of the ball. Not Wilks. In Wilks year (2023) he took Demeco Ryans defense and went from #1 to #8 in total defense. That year the Jets were 3rd. The 49'ers defensive roster was LOADED. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about the scheme or the players here. It was the under pressure, boneheaded and, for the lack of a better word, stupid play calling from Wilks that got him fired. The same kind of stupid play calling we're seeing now. Speaking of the players, I'm sure this current Jets defense would look 1,000 times better if we had dudes like Bosa, Armstead, Fred Warner, Dre' Greenlaw, Charvarius Ward and Talanoa Hufanga on the team. All in their prime. Now you are talking. Folks, this is the NY Jets we're talking about here. We don't have Mike Shanahan, McVey or Reid roaming the sidelines. Hell, we don't even have a Schotteheimer or MLF. We have unproven rookies across the board, outside Wilks (see above) and now we're talking as if it's O.K. to burn major draft capital, to move up a whopping 1, 2 or 3 spots, to land a QB that wouldn't make the top 20 in a normal draft, and you are all O.K. with that? Hey, if the kid falls to us then so be it, it is what it is. We DO have to find a QB and I understand that, However, the FASTEST way to earn a one way ticket to being fired is blowing ridiculous amounts of the team's FUTURE on a damn "maybe." Now, as in my other posts, if the kid goes to an All-Star game and lights it up against much stiffer competition and top defensive talent from all over the country........well, the debate can begin. Until I see that I'm saying not just no but a hell no. You do what @Cman69 described and do this shit SMARTLY for a change!!! You know, operate ANTI-NY Jets! Smart instead of impulsive and stupid.
The offense is close to being built out. We have a strong OL, which hopefully will become top 10 if we can sign a really good C like Linderbaum. We have WR1, RB1, probably TE1. Ruckert looked like a decent TE2 as well. Chances are between Metchie, AD, and Smith with a QB who can pass someone can emerge. Plus we can get someone else in the draft and free agency. But the bottom line is, this is a not a bad situation for a young QB to come in. As far as trading up for a mediocre QB, we don't really know if these guys are mediocre. What good is 2027 draft if say it has two great guys who will go 1-2 overall and we have no shot at them and then have to trade up more for the guys that are worse than in 2026? Of course we all want a guy like Manning if he has a great season, but that requires #1 pick, which no one in the right mind will be trading. I don't think we will be quite as bad next year to have a shot. So, the solution is you take a bit of a gamble on a prospect that is not as good but still a good prospect this year. Chances are next year if we have a better record, you will get a shot at a prospect who is even worse than the one we can get with current record this year. And might need to trade up for him too.
Just a reminder. The Jets D sucks. The D coordinator is bad and the players are bad. Also, the offense isn't much better with Tyrod and he'll be injured from a strong breeze. The point is the Jets will likely not win more than 3 more games. It could be even worse. They will likely finish with a top 5 pick.
