The Expensive QB Myth

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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Not worth it for us. Stafford matches well with a team ready to win now that's a QB away but can't afford Watson. Essentially the Colts.
     
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  2. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    that 5 mil is enough to go from a solid player to a star player cap wise. 10mil nets you a solid player. 15mil nets you a top guy at their position. 5 mil is the difference between a brandon cooks and an allen robinson
     
  3. apjbfc

    apjbfc Well-Known Member

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    It's a difficult thing to do is winning Superbowls.

    You need a top 10 QB to compete for a decade, you want to win regularly you need the QB.

    You need to hit on draft picks regularly outside the first round, and have a excellent coaching team.

    Don't have that, your just trying to be the eagles or giants team. This shows that we're all right and we're all wrong at the same time.

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  4. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    You do realize Brandin Cooks has played in 2 Super Bowls and Allen Robinson has played in 0 right? Also, Allen Robinson’s most recent contract was signed for $14 million and Brandin Cooks for $16.2 million.
     
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  6. Acad23

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    Ahhh...it was a passing thought.

    I always liked his game...but I love Watson's.
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    cooks is good but not as good as robinson. he's also been on 3 teams already in his short career. rams drafted him traded him to NE who used him a year then traded him to houston. it's very likely houston trades him away this offseason as well
     
  8. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Actually he was drafted by the Saints, traded for a 1st to NE, then traded for a 1st to LAR, then traded from there to Houston for a 2nd. He’s a good player, and has been better than Robinson for a lot of his career until the past few years, and has more total receiving yards.

    It’s all beside the point though. At any point the Jets or any team for that matter could lower Watson’s cap hit and afford extra players. They could even move salary forward to 2021 where Watson’s cap his is quite low. There is a point where the cost of trade compensation can be too much, but his contract is not an issue for fielding a good team. The Jets would get him for around $29 million/year, and that’s a discount comparable to Brady’s market “discount” with the Patriots back in 2014.
     
  9. egelband

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    We definitely should be looking at percentage of cap rather than straight salary. That’s a good point.
     
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  10. ColoradoContrails

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    The NFL is the early prototype for making "video games" using real people. Just aid bluetooth wiring connected to shocking sensors to the players and hand the controllers to the coaches, then they can have their ultimate fantasy: managing every single move and action on the field.
     
  11. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    @MaximusD163 Question: Is maintaining a solid roster while paying a FQB and drafting low the same as building a roster from the ashes while paying a FQB and drafting mid?
     
  12. Longsuffering88

    Longsuffering88 Well-Known Member

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    Cool story except the myth assumes


    better rosters
    And better coaches
    And better drafts

    All things Jets sucked at
     
  13. NYGANGGREEN

    NYGANGGREEN Well-Known Member

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    Lmao all thing Jets sucked at with prior GMs and coaches sure, does that mean it will be the same now. We have so many fans live in this reality and its truly sad so bc we havent done something in a long time we should stop trying to get better. If thats the case why hold on to the picks trade them all away we will never hit on any of them anyway. Oh and the new coach is already destined to be fired in two years if that mindsight isnt SOJ idk what is.
     
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  14. Longsuffering88

    Longsuffering88 Well-Known Member

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    your post is more delusional than most

    my god- where have you been son

    my truth is based on factual event reality
    Yours is based on rainbows and unicorns
     
  15. NYGANGGREEN

    NYGANGGREEN Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what part of my post is delusional but ok you are def close or near a cliff with the crazy shit you post...this must be your offseason form carry on!
     
  16. NYGANGGREEN

    NYGANGGREEN Well-Known Member

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    Oh and your last few post were far from factual the Texans having a worse roster is the biggest one, but your right and the rest of us dont know anything lmao comical
     
  17. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Well it’s not the same, but there are a few questions you have to answer to see how similar they can be.

    1. Is your FQB average or elite?

    2. Exactly how charred are the ashes?

    3. How is the salary cap situation?

    Extrapolating the Jets and Watson idea from these questions... I don’t think the Jets roster is a roaring dumpster fire. They have 2 very good players at premium positions, and a smattering of solid players. There are essentially 5 vacant premium positions with no long term answer: CB, RT, Edge, WR, QB.

    If you kept all your picks this year, you would be hoping to fill 2-3 of these at best with your top 3 picks in the draft (3, 23, 34). If you traded for Watson (in what I think is the likeliest trade package) you’re guaranteeing an answer at 1, and hopeful to hit 1 more at pick 34.

    In either scenario, if you can stomach Fant for 1 more year at RT, which I can, you’re looking at either 1 or 2 unfilled premium positions in 2021. It’s not a wildly different outcome in that sense.

    If you want to try and hit 1 premium position in FA, you would do it regardless of the Watson deal.

    Ultimately you’re trading out of a chance to swing at 4 out of 5 premium positions to instead swing at 2 out of 5 and a guarantee at 1.

    If you draft well with the 5 picks in rounds 3-5 and sign other reasonable FA’s for depth, to answer your question, they aren’t that different in this case.
     
  18. Losmeister

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    we should keep losing big for maybe 3more years, dfntly cant have more than 5 wins a year, tobuild the team with high draft picks...

    great plan, man. just. ya know? brilliant.
     
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  19. Losmeister

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    and again. cos i foiught against the tsumani of ignorant Jet fans that said
    "Gase does not know how to utilize

    Lev Bell "

    Big Red knows exactly how to use him. warm the spot onthebench for guys who dont suck.
     
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  20. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    i forgot about cooks and the saints. poor dude have moved around so much. watson is definitely attainable i'm just trying to look at both sides of it all.
     
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