The best thing the Jets could do to upgrade our pass defense is bring more consistent pressure on the opposing QB. But I think all of the top DL/OLB will be gone by the time we pick.
Shaun Ellis' sacks have nothing to do with the 3-4 and everything to do with his awesomeness...and pressurization.
Wow... Really? Anyways I know 3-4 DE don't get as many sacks as LB, but Im talking about 0.5 sack in 16 games or two sacks in 32 games. Thats whay Coleman had. That tells me he does not win battles at the line of scrimmage. He can not push the OLs back. Two sacks in 32 games is pathetic no matter what system you are playing in, be it the 3-4 or the 4-3 or even the 1-6 (isn't that our prevent D?). And he makes almost $5mil a yr. Too much invested. He can be a good backup if its for a mil n a half. Ellis was good as his stats "this yr" show. However, I don't agree with you when u say Ellis is "awesomness". Thats my opinion and I'm gonna stick to it. He was able to pressurize the QB, get a few sacks too, but not as consistent as a $6.5mil DE should be.
Trevor Pryce, Ravens DE, has 6.5 sacks total in the last two years. Dwan Edwards, started 13 games in 2007 for the Ravens had 1 sack. Take a look at DEs' stats on good 3-4 defenses and you'll see a similar trend. The point being that you should not judge a 3-4 DE on sacks. If they're there, like with Ellis, its a bonus, but large sack numbers hardly fit the job description. You want a pass rush, look no further than the cactus' spot.
Trevor Pryce: http://www.nfl.com/players/trevorpryce/profile?id=PRY103822 83 sacks in 150 games over his career. Or almost 20 sacks in 34 games as a raven while in his 30s. Oh, and BTW, he is 33 now and makes about the same amount of money as does Coleman, but less than Ellis. Im not saying Coleman has to be as good as him. Im saying, if wants to get paid like him, better perform something like him. Maybe not 80 sacks in 150 games, but atleast 5 sack a season. If he can't get that much pressure on the QB, then we'd rather bring in a rookie first our second rounder and pay him rookie wages. I say we move Gholston back to the DL while kicking out Coleman. Gholston was best while on the DL. Maybe he can improve quickly there. Yes that wastes the last yr where he hardly showed up but he was drafted as a DL player that Mangini tried to convert to LB. Not the best move, unless it paid off. Bryan---Harris----Barton----rookie/Ghol. ---S.Ellis----Jenkins----Ghol/rookie---
I said 3-4 DE. He was playing in a 4-3 during most of that span. Sorry, try again. hint: you will have a hard time proving that sacks are a good measure of a 3-4 DE, 'cause they're not.
I did mention him as the 3-4 DE when I said "Or almost 20 sacks in 34 games as a raven" Im not gonna argue anymore on this. Like I said, 2 sacks in 32 games are not enough. Its about one tenth of what Trevor produced making similar money.
I'll let it go as soon as you admit you were wrong. HE PLAYED IN A 4-3 IN BALTIMORE. You tried to use a 3-4 DE sack numbers to prove his worth. That is a horrible stat to use and you have yet to prove otherwise. Every post shows me you know less and less...
God this board is so stupid sometimes. Why would we take a WR? I think 29 people (so far) have been watching a little too much Larry Fitzgerald. There aren't any Larry's in this draft so I don't see the point. Plus look at all the super bowl teams the past 10 years. Lots of them didn't have an elite WR corps. You don't need it. IMO WR is the least valuable position on a team behind FB and TE. We have some guys that could possibly step up at WR with Rex Ryan here and I think we should wait and address some bigger needs first.
I agree with the posts that mention Best availables at each position. However that should only mean a certain player if available should be chosen, i.e. Sanchez, Laurinitis. I firmly believe that the glaring need is the fast WR. It is something that is needed on this squad. Clowney may have flashed in the pan last preseason but we ned someone who can put up numbers every week and he probably is not that guy.
Who are those guys? Coles is probably outta here. Cothery isn't a #1. Stuckey is an average 3. Smith is a trick play guy. Clowney is unproven. Wallace Wright is a Demon on special teams, but did he even take any regular season snaps with the offense? Who else am I missing? As far as the last few Champs, their D was the big reason for their success. Giants D, Colts receivers, Steeler D, Pats D x 2, and the Bucs D. Our D is on its way. Why not add a WR to the mix?
If that's true, that we need either Alphonso Smith in the 1st or Macho Harris in the 2nd. I'd prefer Macho.
We've got a handful of decent WR now + Keller. Compare that to #2 WR and ILB where we don't have anyone right now. I think most people should admit our defense is a higher priority.
Unfortunately Ryan doesn't run a classic 3-4. That would have been an awesome guide to have at the beginning of last season. I'm told by B'more fans that watching Kris Jenkins drop into coverage will have my jaw dropping on the floor. As for the poll, BPA at a need position. p.s. The following people made me laugh: dBLitzer28, GatorGar, jigglebilly. You know why.
I agree. (I think you meant #2CB right?) That's what I was trying to get at. That's exactly my point! Their D was their reason for success. So why would we draft a WR in the first round when defense is what matters more? (not to mention is needed more..) With that being said I do admit we need a WR nontheless and would not be throwing a fit if that's what we drafted. I just can't believe so many people can't see that we need help at secondary more than anything! I mean christ when you have the #31 pass defense you don't go draft a WR first. It's common sense.
