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  1. SOXXX2

    SOXXX2 Well-Known Member

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    Aaron Glenns press conference was just as bad as the game itself. He sounded lost.

    The team clearly quit on him yesterday.
     
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    SOXXX2 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone trying to deflect the blame on the defense from Glenn to Wilks clearly has an agenda.

    At the end of the day Glenn chose wilks and can fire him today. It all falls on Glenn 100%. Glenn can call the plays to if he has to. It's up to him. He is the head coach. He is responsible for the defense.
     
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    Turns out by game 2 we see Glenn is outmatched--how the hell do you put Clemmons in the game next series after preaching accountability? Also, heard after the game Glenn is speaking analytically about how you can't hit the QB up high--well, no shit--did he not stress this to the players earlier? Either he did and Dumbass C couldn't process this information or all Glenn does is says lets eliminate penalties and then doesn't educate the players on how to do that.
     
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  4. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Yeah I have an agenda alright. Not to shit on Glenn at every opportunity. I am NOT absolving Glenn at all. I am saying that Wilks is as much a problem as Glenn when it comes to bad coaching decisions. Only those folks that HATE Glenn have the agenda and have been on a mission to see him fired yesterday. So Glenn does fire Wilks, who takes over.. Glenn? A rookie HC now has to wear the DC hat as well? Setting him up for failure as that will be a an even bigger trainwreck than what we have today. I'm sure that will make your day.

    Glenn will have to take over the Defense at some point. I've said that several times now. Wilks was a bad hire. I said that too. If you think this team was a playoff roster? Take your meds.. This team had NO chance to do anything as there was simply too many new elements introduced this offseason.

    This season will be over by Columbus Day no matter who's the HC is... Don't hold your breath waiting for Woody to hire a Veteran HC. Vrabel used us to work his contract in NE. No Veteran Coach is coming here and its not about the money, its about the Owner and the quality of the roster and the present organizational org chart.

    But please keep on bitching about Glenn. Just stop ruining an already lousy gameday experience and we won't have a problem.
     
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  5. SOXXX2

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    You are deflecting blame from Glenn to Wilks. At the end of the day it's Glenns decisions. He should take play calling away from Wilks now. Saleh did that at some point and the defense improved.

    I'm not bitching about Glenn. What is there to say good about him so far?

    The Jets should have hired Mccarthy who I will admit I'm not a huge fan of but he would have brought stability and experience. We have no idea what Glenn is while at least with Mccarthy we know he can have a team consistently competitive and knows how to run an offense.
     
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    Yes, having a great QB is critical, but I think this oversimplifies the involvement of the coaching. I mean in the 1st game Fields was literally #1 rated QB in the NFL in EPA and top 5-10 by pretty much all metrics. And yet AG managed to lose that one somehow. And even in the last game, yes QB play was shit, but still the game should not have been over by the start of Q2. So, yeah, QB is definitely key, but we cannot be giving up 30+ every game either. Coaching matters, and so far AG looked worse than Ulbrich on a small sample size.
     
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    Coaching matters but the fact is pretty much every team that consistently makes the playoffs has a top 10 QB on the roster as a good QB raises everyone and everything - including the defense as they are on the field a lot less and feel under less pressure - if we do not have consistent QB play then no rebuild is ever going to work as they are building on sand.
     
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    Again, he got great QB play in game 1. Against a team that is not that amazing, just a solid fringe play-off team at home. And still failed. And losing the game by Q2 is also a coaching failure, not just Qb. So, yes, absolutely you need a great QB, but let's not excuse piss poor coaching that is worse than Ulbrich that we have seen so far.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    You're regurgitating McCarthy? Really... That's going back a ways dontcha think? Wilks is the DC. We don't know how the org chart works. Maybe Wilks submits the gameplan to Glenn for approval. We don't know. We don't even know WHY Wilks was hired in the first place. It's not like he's some unemployed legend waiting for the phone to ring. What would be the point of hiring a DC if you're not going to let him BE the DC? That makes no sense especially for a first time HC. The job is hard enough for experienced HC's let alone newbies.

    Glenn will be forced to take the play calling away from Wilks at some point. Parcells had to do it back in the day I think with Charlie Weis. Once you do that, you've effectively fired that coordinator as he now becomes useless and has no skin in the game. Now you've created a vacuum on your staff you'll have to fill by going thru the entire hiring process again. Maybe this time hire a guy who aligns with your view (man vs. zone).

    Woody put us in this mess and until he dies, we'll stay in this mess. He's NOT EVER GONNA HIRE AN EXEPRIENCED HC. The scars from the Parcells and Belichek rejections run too deep.
     
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    We know why Wilks was hired.

    Glenn hired him.

    I give Wilks one more game if I'm Glenn but I agree once when you take the play calling away he is essentially done.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I was referring to Wilks' resume. There had to be something in it that grabbed Glenn's attention. Either that or he was the only guy who wanted the job. I would be curious about Wilks' pedigree. Maybe Glenn hired him as a favor repayed? We don't' know.
     
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    Likely didn't have many options and Wilks had Head coach and DC experience so he probably preferred someone with experience rather someone without is my best guess.

    If he messed up on hiring him fine, but go fix it.
     
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    Let's be fair: some of the most successful teams in the NFL today started with rookie coaches. Sirianni, MLF, McVay, Shanahan, McDermott, John Harbaugh, Tomlin all were rookies for the teams they have been successful with and are still around for many years with that team. So, I am OK with a rookie coach, this is not a bad strategy on its own, but you need to hire a GOOD coach, rookie or not. And I want to make it clear, the jury is still out on AG. It also a fact though that he is off to a terrible start.
     
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    to be fair most of the more successful teams listed - Ravens, Packers, Steelers, Eagles - were already solid/playoff calibre teams at the time those coaches landed (and even teams like the Bills and Rams were not "bad") - I am not sure any rookie coach has had success coming into a really bad spot like the Jets (that said I don't think a really experienced coach would have had much success either - maybe someone like Sean Payton could've done something to fix this team but even that's a pretty big maybe).

    its also true that aside from the niners (who've had an elite defense) pretty much all those teams have had top tier QB play to rely upon - hell I think I could've been a successful rookie head coach if I had prime Rodgers or Big Ben to call upon.
     
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    Is how the team performed against the Bills due to a complete rejection of Glen firing Gibson? Was this a protest?

    Or is it due to the very low caliber of current Jets players?

    Coaches coach but players gotta play.
     
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    I doubt the players could care less about a fringe playing getting cut - it is not like this was a good team last year that suddenly went on strike
     
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    Not everyone had a great QB at that time, some were drafted later, some were developed, and not even with top picks. Some, like McCarthy underachieved with top QB (if you think it is so easy for you to be the HC, you may be mistaken), and his rookie successor made it better and then developed a successor picked in later round 1. The the point is that you do not have to hire experienced guy, there are plenty of rookie HC that can eventually succeed. But you need to find a GOOD coach, rookie or not.

    AG may be one of them too still, since it's only 2 games. However, it sure looks like so far he is every bit as bad as Ulbrich with similar roster, actually worse. I think he can turn this around, but right now he is learning on the job, and can't even get his bread and butter - defense - to look somewhat respectable, which is very alarming. It's fair to say the honeymoon is over for AG.
     
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    I'm not going to lay a lot of the positional issues at Glenn's door, but one thing that is directly on him is the way the team came out totally flat yesterday. That first drive was the nail in the coffin. That is pathetic, get in their faces or something.
     
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    Interesting possibility. I spent some time considering this and I think its more likely that the players were flummoxed due to Gibson making the squad and then getting cut game 1 for a fumble. Not a protest per se, just that it seems like poor management that one can't get behind. So they do their professional duty and play, but no fire.
     

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