If hes that crap and unplayable , surly thats down to the CS to give someone else a shot , unless they really need a patsy for their shortcomings
Right now the Jets woes are a combination of everything building up and feeding on itself. The offense really cannot score often enough to have any control of the flow of the game and the defense cannot keep the other team from scoring consistently. On the offensive side the single biggest problem is the inability to establish any kind of running game, for the second year in a row. This is because for the second year in a row the Jets offensive line can't get any push and is frequently getting stacked up at the line of scrimmage. It's also a result of defenses being able to play closer to the line of scrimmage because they have no fear of the Jets ability to throw the ball downfield. When the strong safety can routinely play 5-8 yards off the line of scrimmage with no fear of getting burned by a seam route to the TE it makes him a much bigger factor against the run. The second biggest problem on offense right now is that Chad is throwing so many balls up for grabs when he tries to go down the field and when he loses track of defenders on the short outs. Going back to week 5 last year Chad has thrown 19 INT's in his last 17 starts. That's a huge number for a QB that relies on maintaining a short sequence offense to get down the field and who does not put a lot of TD's on the board himself.
Relax. While there was an "other" choice, there was no "lay blame equally" choice, so people voted for the choice they thought most cost the Jets the game. I can't say I disagree with the assessment that Pennington was most responsible for the outcome due to the simple fact that he directly led the offense to ZERO NET POINTS. One TD pass to the Jets and one TD pass to the Giants. The FG at the end of the half was a result of the INT. (If you want to "give" the offense/chad three points for Nugent's 42-yard missed FG, fine.) Either way, the defense (10 points) and the special teams (7 points) both outscored the offense (7 points, 0 net points). (Perhaps with your should start a messageboard for "true" football fans/strategists where people have to apply and pass a test of their knowledge prior to posting. Taking everyone to task because a handful of 358people who voted in the poll blamed Chad over Defense, Coach and Other is...well...curious.) [apparently I am a parrot of whiteshoewillie as I didn't read his post prior to making mine....proceed]
I have been thinking about the second pick. First of all, it was an absolute terrible read and throw that was completely Chad's fault, but how important was it in the loss. If the ball is incomplete, it is 2nd down and say we don't get a TD but have to settle for a Field Goal. We are then up by 6. Kickoff and conservatively say the Giants are at the 20. How much different is it that the Giants drive 80 yards and score a TD being up by 1 vs 99 yds and score being up by 4? I don't see the major impact at that point in the game. And during the 99 yd drive, we had the Giants at 2 and 9 at the 2 with an incomplete to Burress which would have brought up a 3rd and 9 at the 2 but Dyson had an illegal contact for an auto 1st. Then a 15 yrd roughness penalty on Harris for the horse collar, and finally the 53 yd TD because Dyson sucks. If Dyson doesn't have the illegal contact, we probably aren't having this conversation. Having said that, the 3rd pick was the nail in the coffin. Just my thoughts.
The way I see it, the defense scored a TD, and intercepted a pass that led to a FG two plays later.... They essentially scored 10 points.... The offense also scored 10 points.... And the STs scored 7.... I'm sorry, I don't care if the defense gives up 12 YPC and 50 points in the game... If the offense cannot score more points than the defense, more of the blame needs to be on their shoulders than the defenses....
Anytime you throw a pick, essentially in the EZ, it's a big deal... Especially when you are a team, as we are, who is extremely efficient in the RZ.... Fact is, when we get down there, our chances at scoring a TD are very high, so long as we don't turn it over... A veteran QB does NOT make that throw, EVER..... A TO that close to the EZ always swings momentum, as well.... I'm sure if we had scored a TD on that drive, our D would have come out with a little more fire than they did... The last few weeks, it seems as though Chad's drive-killing mistakes have taken the wind out from under the sails of our defense, and subsequently, they have collapsed..... It's all speculation, but that's how I see it
To say 3 points wouldn't have made a difference in a game we lost by 11 is a bit absurd in my opinion. It would have still been a 1 score game after Ross returned the pick 6 with over 3 minutes left. You also have to take into consideration the momentum that pick gave the Giants and a possible 7 points instead of 3. That's all speculation though.
A blind man could see that Pennington has been the main factor in the outcome of the last two games, in a negative way. Now obviously football is a team sport and right now overall this is a bad football team but if you have to blame one person for this past games outcome, it doesn't take much football knowledge to choose Pennington as that one person.
Because KOZ, the poll is not asking you if you think Chad is playing like shit. The poll is asking you who is at fault for the loss. Chad needs to do his job better and I admitted that in the original post, but when one entire phase is hurting us to the point where you really can't count on them to stand up when it matters most, they deem themselves the bigger problem. Put it this way, and this is me personally, I felt that when we got the ball back after Plax's TD, we'd be OK because we were going to go down and score. Chad proved at the end of the first half that this offense can do that. However, from the beginning of the game, as soon as the D took the field, I was an the edge of my seat because it seems like any given play can lead to disappointment when they're out there. And for the most part they have proven that so far this season. A few stops, then an easy first down, repeatedly. And getting back to the analysis of the game....a ball watcher doesn't analyze, they watch each play and judge the ability of the player(s) who handle the ball on that play based on the outcome, without regard for the other factors involved or past performance. Sorry, but this is not an accurate understanding of the game.
When it mattered most the D got a 3 and out. When we were still in the game the QB spite the bit and put the game completely out of reach. The passing game which starts with the QB is an entire phase of the game. In that particular phase we have a line that protects the thrower well we have WR who run exceptional patterns and make tough catches all game long. We have a tight end who has good hands in traffic and we have a a game breaking back who can catch the ball in space and make big plays. The breakdown in that part of our game which put the game out of reach was the direct fault of the QB. I recognize what I saw but I don't blame Chad because it's obvious that his arm is shot and his physical ability is having a direct impact on his game management which is also hurting both the O and the D. When the D can't take risks because the O can't score, it impacts the way you play D. I guarantee you the D on the Colts is not particularly worried if they have a sell out blitz and they get scored on.
"Proof" requires more than one data point. or 100 times can't prove your right, but one time can provie you wrong ... which is what you could say of Pennington. When had to prove it, he couldn't do it.
This is the fucking funniest thread I have ever read. Professor Jtuds schooling the masses. HAHAHAHAHA! And yes, that was sarcasm.
it actually does happen. once you as a defensive unit have put the ball in the offenses hands to win the game (which they did twice in these last two losses) the offense has to step up. our defense isnt good enough to hold teams to 3 and outs on a consistent basis, and our offense takes forever to score so its not like we can score at will or from behind. so TO's for our team cost much more than they would with an effective team. but yeah defenses tend to play uninspired after they put the game in a winnable position and offenses shutdown. its kind of like running out the clock, near the end of a game people just arent fired up. its no excuse for our defense but they put this game in the hands of the offense and penny in particular melts down at the worst possible times.
Someone who does not watch the ball would watch the whole secondary of every team we play against creeping up further than they do on High School quarterbacks when chad's in to stop the run. They would also analyze every Cb waiting to Jump Chads routes all game and also see that the opposing defense has a short field to play with when he is at Qb. They would also see that the passes he completes are those 20 yard hail mary please go and get the ball for me passes to the receivers and not Crisp outs and slants that real Nfl Quarterbacks throw. They would also see Leon washington getting tackled in the backfield on Screens as well because of the no existent threat of the longball. We know our players on Defense S**k so what is your point! We have a good Offense that is not playing up to standards because of #10. He got sacked 1 time last week and what did he do? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't help but think of Mugatu screaming at the end of the fashion show in Zoolander. "I invented the Piano Key Necktie. What has Derek Zoolander done? Nothing! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!"
I log on late today so: You can?t defend Pennington's picks! A quarter back is going to have picks that?s a given; but the time that they occurred can mean the difference between a win and a loss, in this case it?s a loss point blank! Kellen Clemens also had a game ending pick so that?s his fault too. (After seeing Clemens passes over and over I understand the it?s hard to catch lightning). Please don?t get confused with Logic and Compassion. Logic is the Defense is playing shitty (Not the first half-last week). Logic is the Offensive line is improving (Penny has had a clean shirt for a while). Logic is Pennington cost us two games. Compassion is trying to spread blame evenly to say it?s a team sport and one unit effects the other. Now if we were a dynamo on offense and scored alot of points then you could say "damn the Defense always gives the game away" thats not the Case.
It's a matter of people knowing what they're talking about. There's a difference between observing and understanding, listen to the people who have lived it and you'll know what I mean. Right now I am at my desk listening to Jim Miller, a former QB who can explain anything from why Chad is having trouble throwing the ball deep to why blitzing Tom Brady didn't work against the Pats. Every morning I listen to Bob Papa and Randy Cross breaking down games and talking about match-ups and what situations favour what teams. The people who call these shows in many cases are almost at par with the hosts in terms of football knowledge. If someone calls making claims about a player or team and can't back it up by answering questions like "why did that happen" or "What was the 3-technique's job on that play?", they get hung up on. Unfortunately, you can't hang up on someone on a message board. I can't believe so many do not see the connection between the "We shouldn't run a 3-4" comments, the "Chad sucks" comments, and the 'Thomas Jones was a waste" comments. There's a direct correlation there. I personally don't think anything is Jones' fault by the way..... I agree and disagree. I am not speaking out of compassion, I am being impartial. And honestly, I am indifferent to who starts at QB this week. Chad and Kellen are both good, but right now it doesn't matter who is under centre because our D will not keep us in a game. I still can't agree that Chad cost us 2 games. In Buffalo it has been well documented that they were taking away deep passes, they focused on it. In that case, our offense needs to run the ball and they did a piss-poor job of it. Compassion has nothing to do with me claiming that the blame on Chad and the D is equal, it jsut makes sense. The defense couldn;t keep a half time lead, gave up first down after first down, and put had in a position to have to come from behind. Chad failed in his role (and I understand taking the team down the field for a score is his job). There's really no other way to put it. I just can't understand uninformed opinions.
I dont know if this is directed at me or everyone in general,but I am an informed individule. I played Football and I dont care what Universe you come from Those picks cost us those games (Including Kellens) in the context of the Games you can say the defense couldnt hold the the lead (See Pick #2-short feild) Then you could Say we had a chance to win it (See Pick #3- the game ender) Id love for the defense to play a little better but we havent been blown out of any game yet so there goes that (Except the New England game late). :breakdance:
