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Would the Jets be playing better if Mark Sanchez was healthy and under center?

  1. Yes (> 5-6)

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    51.1%
  2. No (< 5-6)

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    27.5%
  3. 5-6

    39 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    The market is massive pay cut and competition for our still unproven rookie quarterback.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    If that is what the stat sheets tells you it must be true!

    Instead of watching the Giants maybe you should have watched the Jets play rather than rely on boxscores? if you watched you'd know how skewed the #s were due to garbage time runs, the 2 Bills game and raider games.

    on those playoff games, we got a lead in the 2nd half and didn't pass much to end the game b/c we didn't have to but mark was near flawless going 12-15 w/ 2 of the 3 completions drops including a would be TD that was a bomb to Braylon.

    at SD, our run game was just great!

    going into that Shonn Greene run here were our rushing #s for Green and Jones:

    28 carries, 96 yds, 3.4 YPC
    overall for game w/o the one big run they combined for 36 carries and 116 yds(3.2 YPC).



    just outstanding rushing #s, a great job that any bad QB could be carried to a title game!

    WATCH THE DAMN GAMES
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he is having a very different season than Mark, the #s may not be all that different but the way they got there/are getting there is very different. Where mark had 3-4 awful games to skew his #s Geno has been consistently bad. Mark was a million times better than Geno as a rookie to this point. Hopefully Geno turns it around and is good from here on out but we'll see.
     
  4. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez was a million times better?

    WTF are you smoking bro? Lol

    Sanchez rarely showed poise, he was always inaccurate with the football in both the short and long game, and struggled heavily when trying to read a defense.

    Sanchez was more lost than Geno has been by far, the only reason you can't see that Sanchez was worse his rookie year is because he (like you've even pointed out) actually had a great team around him.

    Geno doesn't and it shows.

    At least Geno does have poise, accuracy, and strong arm.

    Sanchez has never had that. Ever.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he was very poised overall, he had bad moments as all rookies do and please don't confuse accuracy w/ completion % like most average fans do.

    such a great team around him that missed the playoffs a year earlier w/ BRETT FAVRE as the QB.

    Geno is so poised losing 20 yds on sacks and turning it over every week:rofl:

    very accurate throwing to the opposing team too:rofl:


    Geno has turned it over in all but 2 games(he throew a total of 39 passes in those 2 games). he's turned it over in 81% of games.

    mark turned it over in 9 of 16 games(56%). That is a HUGE difference.
     
  6. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    In over 60 career NFL starts, Mark Sanchez routinely and incessantly proved himself to be a (relatively speaking) terrible NFL quarterback. In point of fact, from a purely statistical point of view, Sanchez's incompetence was historically bad. The fact that anyone can even pretend to know that we would definitely have a better record (as of today) had Sanchez been the starter all season, instead of Geno, is downright comical.

    As of this post, 51 people have voted that we would currently either have the same record or be slightly worse off, while 50 people have voted that we would currently be better off. That seems about right - 50/50 . . . because the reality is that no one has any idea if we would be better or worse.
     
  7. JetsNation06

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    We can do that through the draft. A rookie QB drafted in 2014 can't be any worse than Sanchez and they come with a helluva lot less baggage. He's too polarizing of a figure for this franchise to keep around. The cons far outweigh the pros of keeping him.
     
  8. LeonNYJ

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    May have an extra win or two. I don't see them being that much better.
     
  9. kevmvp

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    I watch Giants games instead of the Jets lol? Just like your views on Sanchez you are incorrect sir.

    I do watch the games. I watch them all, then I watch the post game on SNY afterwards and listened to Lucas and Schein go off on how bad he was, confirming a lot of my opinions. I can't remember the last time I ever missed a Jets game. Probably just like you. I also use advanced statistics to help confirm or deny opinions I have on players, those stats that prove Sanchez isn't very good. Because those advanced stats tell the whole story. But I guess if I was a Sanchez supporter I would probably try to ignore those too. They dont break everyones entire game down to a single play like your trying to do. They judge each player on how productive he was, not the end result, not one clutch drive where he was asked to throw a quick screen to a WR and then watch that player take off for 20+ yards, how well that player played.

    I'm sure I can go back and find a "good sanchez game" where he threw a 70 yard TD, take that away and then say "look at what his numbers would be like if he didnt throw that one pass!". You can't do that though. You have to judge a player based on his entire game. Your downplaying the other elements Sanchez had to work with to make Sanchez look better then he was.

    Fact- Geno has been terrible

    Fact- Sanchez was terrible as well his rookie year, and basically every year after.

    Fact- Sanchez was on much better teams then Geno was on

    Fact- Geno sucking doesn't make Sanchez good

    I question whether you watched the games from 09-12.
     
  10. JetsFan

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    Give me some of what your smoking.

    Poise- He looks like a zombie out there.

    Accuracy - We must be watchi8ng different players. He has more interceptions, same passing completion rate and throws every pass behind the receiver. Yet a lot better.

    Strong Arm - Where and where? They may have the same arm, and Geno has thrown many ducks.

    Simms has a much stronger arm then Geno and has show real poise and also emotion in his limited time. Simms is the spark this team needs right now and after the season we can go fine our real QB of the future unless Simms comes out as stuns us all to win the job.
     
  11. xxedge72x

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    I bet with Santonio Holmes out today Geno looks better again.
     
  12. Professor

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    While I don't think Sanchez under center this year would have been beneficial for our future, I do think we would have at least 1 if not more wins that with Geno. That said, I still support Geno at least for now.
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I quoted Biggs' post and for some reason your post was quoted.
     
  14. Barcs

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    How did you figure that one?
     
  15. b.reyes16

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    There's this one thing that I've noticed. When Mark was playing, in every game we would see at least one pass that made you go, "Wow, how the hell did he make that?" One that really comes to mind is that one against the Texans back in 2010 down the sideline to Braylon.

    I can't name one from Geno. He is just afraid to throw the ball unless a WR is almost completely unguarded. He just can't make the tough throws that you have to in the NFL. There is no more 10 yard separation that you had with Steadman Bailey and Tavon Austin against weaker college competition.
     
  16. JetsUK

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    an extra win or two and we would still be very much in the playoff mix
     
  17. JetsUK

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    what makes me "smile" is that before the season started my mate asked me how I thought the Jets would do and I said I thought we would surprise people because we won 6 games last year and then I added "and I just cant see how its possible for our offense to be worse this year than it was last year" - how wrong I was.
     
  18. Ralebird

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    Sure, scour your memory for a single good pass over four years, compare it to a rookie in a dozen games and make a decision based on that. How do I compare that to something that happened last year without using the "T" word?
     

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