It's certainly odd that Clemens looks worse this year than he did 2 years ago, and that Sanchez looks worse now than he did at the beginning of the season. I don't have to remind anyone about Chad and Favre under Schotty vs Chad and Favre with other OCs.
He certainly hasn't helped. Both Pennington and Favre performed worse in Schottys system than the rest of there careers. Clemens never developed into anything good. Sanchez has shown little improvement over the course of the season. It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence to suggest Schotty is not helping our QB's. I am having a hard time coming up with any evidence to suggest that he IS helping our QB's. Continuity is nice, but you should want that because good things are happening. You don't shoot for continuity for the sake of continuity. We need to see some positive results.
I don't really think that's fair...Clemens was never that good to begin with. He wasn't even very good in college, a #2 QB was always his peak (despite what Jets fans wanted to believe about him.)
OK, I was hoping to steer clear of this argument, but it is central to the idea of the thread, so... 1) he's done a good job This statement is false. Schotty has never had an offense that ranked higher than 16th in the league and that was the year he had a future hall of famer under center. His offenses average in the 20's in terms of league rank. 2) he is a good OC This statement cannot be proven yet. If you believe that Schottenheimer is a good offensive coordinator, than you need to attribute 2006's offense to making the most of a lack of talent, 2007's offense to injuries and o-line inconsistency, 2008's offense to Brett Favre, and 2009's offense to Mark Sanchez. That's a great many bucks being passed. It's conceivable that most OC's would have had the same success (or lack thereof) but it's unlikely.
Jason Campbell has struggled in his career because he has switched offensive coordinators every season it seems and has to learn a new system. This would seem to be a problem if Sanchez has to also switch after 1 season in the league, however, most likely it will be an upgrade and Sanchez will blossum with the new OC. Rex Ryan is no fool. He is not pleased with the offense, at all. SCHOTTENHEIMER IS GONE.
Schottenheimer's system is unlearnable. Chad looked much worse in his second go-round in it. Clemens has never looked good in it but he looked worse and worse as 2007 evolved. Favre looked great running Green Bay's WCO for us until we turned on the Jets system and then he looked worse, albeit with a torn bicep. It's just a terrible system in general and really terrible in winter weather. Now and then it flashes some potential at us, but generally it just shuts itself down at the worst possible moments. I'm not interested in continuing to watch a system that requires a top 3 QB to run it in order for it to put points on the board. Give me a generic WCO at this point for Sanchez to learn and grow in and I'm happy. Stick with Schotty's thing and I think we're starting all over again in 3 years after Sanchez and whoever replaces him have all washed out.
Well... I'd like to think Schottenheimer played an important role in the selection of Kellen Clemens. I'm sure Mangini and Tannenbaum didn't just say "here's your guy" before consulting the new offensive coordinator. As I see it, Schottenheimer at least partially helped identify Clemens as the quarterback he wanted to coach. If Clemens' failures are truly his own and don't reflect at all on the man who coached him for four years, then the man who identified him as a coachable quarterback made the mistake.
It is to coincidental that BS has made every QB that has played for him look bad. He is not capable of developing what is needed from the QB position. He is only going to hinder this offense over the course of time. It will be a huge setback to keep that continued rhythem with the established offensive system, rather then just changing it. We have a lot of good pieces, a lot of those pieces are getting older. We can not wait around 4-5 years to get our offense together and still think the other side of the ball will be able to continue what they are built for now. I just can't see it.
If you're not going to change the style of the offense then what's the point of changing the coordinator? That's a fair point. What's not fair is pretending that Kellen Clemens was some budding star who had his development derailed by Brian Schottenheimer, because that's a serious distortion of the facts.
This is a great point. Sanchez is so young and I mean this in a good way-I have seen young guys with mature heads on their shoulders- that we have to real careful. Our problem is that we don't have a good seasoned back up to lead him and let him learn.Changing our OC is not going to happen and will not serve any purpose- I know this will bring wrath but for me there is only one guy to help our rookie and he resides in Florida now. Bring back Chad Pennington. I bet he would jump at a move back to NY.
The Jets run the ball more than any other team in football, and they have the league's #1 rushing offense. How much more can you really expect Schottenheimer to run the ball?
Can Rex afford to fire Schotty? is the problem. Rex knows little about running an offense and probably little about hiring an OC, thus he kept Schotty this season. That could be the one issue that keeps him in New York.
