Thoughts on new hires

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  1. JetsHuskers fan

    JetsHuskers fan Well-Known Member

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    I said earlier, I was expecting 5 wins with Bowles. When I found out about Chain Gailey I gave up.
     
  2. johnnysd

    johnnysd Well-Known Member

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    Couple of the Arizona players said that he actually makes the defense really simple, and puts people in the right spots so they can play fast. I think on a spectrum with Quinn/super simple on one side and Rex/super complex on the other, Bowles would be somewhere in the middle probably closer to Quinn
     
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  3. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    You might have a point - if you really have any idea whatsoever how much power Casserly actually had in the process. Your contention that consultants are just looking for a payday and don't get invested in their tasks is nonsense in any sector of the business world. Who would have been better equipped to assist the Jets in filling the GM slot than Casserly and Wolf? You, perhaps? And I'm sure, at age 47, he'd be happy to hear you describe him as a "young guy."
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    GGB has an agenda defending Idzik is what this is all about. They might even be related.
     
  5. GangGreenBlues

    GangGreenBlues Well-Known Member

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    It's actually pretty well known in the business world that you have to be careful with consultants. Obviously at times you have to use them, but smart companies do not give them too much decision power, because they certainly do not have as much invested in the company as actual employees. And as far as knowing how much power Casserly actually had, well the fact that both candidates hired had strong ties to him gives some clues, dont you think?
     
  6. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone is an upgrade over idzik... Has he been hired as human resources director for any team yet, or just out of the nfl at this point?
     
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  7. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    These were both very solid hires by the Jets.

    Maccagnan is a pure personnel guy, something the Jets haven't had in a long time. I felt Idzik's personnel background got overlooked a little bit but Maccagnan's is stronger . It's hard to be upset with this hire. Casserly was an extremely accomplished GM as was Ron Wolf. They both liked this guy. No problem with this hire from me.
     
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  8. Umphpool

    Umphpool Well-Known Member

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    Really wanted Quinn but these coaches will do
     
  9. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Okay, let's clear this up right away. Casserly and Wolf are consultants to Jets management, they are advisors, they do not make decisions of any kind, they do not hire people, especially two people with arguably the most important jobs in the organization. Consultants live on their reputations and invest in themselves and their integrity. I don't know any reason either Casserly or Wolf would be willing to expose their legacies, honor and good word to charges of self dealing by anyone who has a scintilla of knowledge of how the NFL operates.

    I've seen nothing in print or online by anyone even slightly connected to the situation charging these men with doing absolutely anything outside of what they have been hired to do; in fact I have seen countless stories lauding them for a job well done.

    You may be butt hurt that your uncle John got his ass fired but you have absolutely zilch when it comes to supporting your lame ass accusations about Casserly and Wolf, "don't you think?"
     
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  10. GangGreenBlues

    GangGreenBlues Well-Known Member

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    Oh my, didn't mean to get your feathers all ruffled up. :) Now, to the actual topic:

    The fact that out of all potential candidates on all 32 NFL teams and countless college football teams both candidates we got had strong ties to Casserly indicates that he was indeed either making decisions or had a tremendous amount of influence on them. Which by the way makes perfect sense, since with no GM, who else is going to make those decisions? Woody?

    Both Casserly and Wolf have held high NFL and/or television positions for a long time. They are both millionares and in no way do they depend on this consulting gig for their livelihood. Casserly's primary job is on television anyway these days. Do you really think either of them will be impacted if Maccagnan doesnt work out? If Casserly can get a consultant gig after the terrible job he did at Houston as the GM, clearly their job doesn't depend on performance.

    You mean the people who daily make up fictious stories (e.g. we are getting Quinn, we are getting Marone, etc) are liking these hires so far? Well, guess what, buddy boy, they loved the Idzik hire as well, when it first happened. Why don't you wait and see what they say at the first hint of turbulence?
     
  11. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    My thoughts are a guy working for the Jets for five minutes just sold us two complete no names with no resume to fall back on as a HC or GM. Our head coach has zero experience with the offensive side of the ball and managed 24th overall defense with 3 pro-bowlers (not a step up from Rex at all), and our GM has no experience as a GM or managing payroll, caps or anything.

    My thoughts are this team needed a real experienced GM and a real experienced HC, what we got was a bunch of no names we're rolling the dice on. Knowing my Jets this won't work in their favor.
     
  12. Faux machine

    Faux machine Well-Known Member

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    I think I'm going to wait until after the draft and preseason before making any judgments on their respective abilities. We have a lot of question marks on the roster, oline, WR, CB, and QB with a high draft pick and a ton of cap space. I'll hold my judgments until after I see what they can do for us.
     
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  13. Ralebird

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    Why wait - you have it all figured out already, right? These guys don't need the money, you say, and apparently don't need their honor and standing within the NFL community either if they're just pushing their buddies into jobs. Next you'll be telling us Bowles and Maccagnan are giving kickbacks to Casserly, too.

    Just one question for you - is Wolf on their payroll too?
     
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  14. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Get real, of course Casserly was making these decisions, do you think anyone on this site besides you believes otherwise? Why would the Jets hire him if he isn't going to have any input into the hirings? Everyone has been fired there's no one left but Casserly to make these decisions.
     
  15. Fightin'JetTitan

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    .......the "jury" is still out as far as I'm concerned.
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I think it's hilarious that Woody went out and got two accomplished NFL guys to help him make these important decisions and people are bitching and moaning about it. Would you have preferred that our clueless wonder was driving the process? Holy shit.
     
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  17. BleedGreen89

    BleedGreen89 Well-Known Member

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    Shouldn't you be more concerned about Nebraska hiring Mike Riley ?
     
  18. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    There are way to many people worrying about guys having ties to other guys who have ties to other guys who have ties to other guys.

    Last I checked, Charley Casserly was a pretty accomplished GM. Isn't a recommendation from him kind of a good thing? I'd think so. Especially with Ron Wolf, another accomplished GM liking both of the guys as well.

    Like people have said, they have reputations they'd like to keep intact. I'm sure they left no stone unturned in this search.
     
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  19. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    That's great that Quinn runs simple schemes ...he's able to because he has the talent he doesn't have to mask a weakness in the secondary with all out blitzes.The Seahawks have the best defense in the last 20 years talent wise,He's able to run simple schemes because the players are good enough to stop anybody
     
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  20. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    There weren't many stones to unturn to begin with,look at some of the people being hired Jack Del Rio,Jim Tomsula takes over the best job available..no one even new who he was
     

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