Check is in the mail.... You know, it took awhile, but I think I've actually gained acceptance from most of the TGG members. :up:
Again injuries aside, you were one of the worst teams in football, all of last year. (You were playing for number 1 pick, most of the season) Raiders were 3-5 playing a very tough early schedule.(Two superbowl teams on road ) Raiders could have won a couple of those games. Once they lost a very tough game to KC, they were 3-6 and playoff dreams were all but done. (couldn't catch Denver or KC who beat them twice) Regardless of where both teams finished , Raiders play went down because they weren't playing for anything, and only game that mattered ,((at least to Norv)they beat a Hot Redskins team on road. You think Raiders had a chance to make playoffs, you would have seen M tuiasosopo. In conclusion both teams arised at 4-12. One was really bad all season and the other just mailed it in after there season was over with. BTW JEts lost two of their three best players on defense this year.(TY Law and J abraham) Lost the heart of Oline K Mawae. Did inject some talented Olineman ,who are going to help more in second half and in the future ,than next year. Reason why alot of teams don't follow Patriots blueprint for sucess. NObody has that coaching staff. Its a big risk trying to win with average talent and relying on coaching staff to coach them up. IT almost impossible when your relying on such an inexperience coaching staff, who don't have any track record, to coach anyone up. You could easily have another top five in draft again next year.
There was no need to write all this. I was simply saying that talent is not the sole ingredient to succeed in the NFL.
Yea but you better have a coaching staff like New England. You don't have a great coaching staff, than I rather have the better talent. Give me the head cases + great athlethic ability, over the choir boys with average athlethic ability. (any Day) JMO I think jets are playing a dangerous game. Trying to copy the Patriots system.(Reason why alot teams won't even try) Your puting alot of faith in an inexperienced coaching staff. That staff dosen't have the track record ,to say they will ever be as good, as staff put together in New England. They are not and teams will expose these smart character players with limited athlethic ability. IE How many times have an IVY league school beat the USC of the world. In the Business world, I take the IVY leaguers ,but not on the football field.
Comeon. J Gruden was offensive coordinator with Eagles for a couple years(offense were sucessful), before he got raiders job. Last year was Mangini first year ever as a coordinator. (injuries aside, defense didn't do too well) Mangini got the Jets job mostly because he was bellichik friend and not on his resume(there was a reason mangini wouldnt do any interviews without knowing the questions- he didn't want to answer questions about his resume.(lackof experience) Who knows Maybe mangini is this next great coach. Than you will be okay . IF mangini only average that philosphy not going to work.
Okay, I give up. Point was Gruden proved nothing as a head coach prior to Week 1 in 1998 because he had never been an NFL head coach before that date. Okay, according to your assessment Mangini is basically a turd because he lacks experience. Bill Arnsparger- genius defensive coordinator. Bust as a head coach. Kevin Gilbride- respected offensive coordinator. Bust as a head coach. Dick LeBeau- great defensive coordinator. Didn't cut it as a head coach. Bud Carson- genius defensive coordinator. All in all, was not a good head coach. You should be able to get the point. Numerous guys had great resumes and loads of experience and they sucked as head coaches.
True being a great coordinator dosen't mean you will be a good head coach. See N Turner ,M Martz, or AL Saunders. The point is I rather take my chances with a guy that demonstarted an ability, to get the job done on one side of the ball, over a guy that hasn't done anything. ( best known for being Bellichik Gofer) Why not just have a contest and the winner becomes the next head coach of Jets. Hey the winner could be next Lombardi or the next R Kotite. IT all about playing the percentages. There isn't anything in Mangini resume says that hes qualified to be a head coach.
If you think the Patriots don't have talent and that they win solely on coaching and being smart, you are mistaken. They have as much talent as any team in the league.
So does the NE Patriots equipment man - . I guess Mangini beat him out for the job. Mangini wasn't a coordinator in any of those superbowls was he?????
Your not serious are you. NE talent is no where close to alot of teams. What seperated them is their coaching staff. GO over all their positions and where you would rank them in comparison to rest of league. Sure they have some talent, but the reason they were winning was because the sum is better than the individual parts. Unless Mangini proves that he and his coaching staff is as good as Bellichik , copying Patriots blueprint will only end in failure for Jets. Jets wanted someone close tlo Belklichik ,they should have hired his wife.(resume would be just as impressive as Mangini.)
The FO got it done for the Pats, not specifically the coaching staff. They got good character guys with talent (Brady, Dillon, Andruzzi, Bruschi, etc.) that fit perfectly. The Patriots proved that character is more important in football then any other sport... which is the one reason why the Raiders are doomed for failure no matter how much talent they have. You can get all the 6'2'' 4.3 speed guys you want.... but if they all have 0 character (like the Raiders guys) they team is hopeless.
Freaking Willie Randolph. I guess he owed Steinbrenner something? Second year manager making rookie mistakes still. Any Pitcher knows you have 4-0 lead , I don't care if you groove the ball down the plate, you make the batter hit his way on. NO batter ever hit a four run homer, with one guy on base. YEs the umpire was seriously squeezing Wagner early but you can't let a Pitcher who was as wild as Wagner,(he wasn't even close) stay in the game as long as he did. (especially against bottom of the yankees Order) Hey MEts have been the better team in the series so far. DId you see what a real ace looks like. IF Randolph dosen't get cute than Mets are going for the sweep tonight. BTW Thanks man for bringing baxck the bad memories. I hate you.
Leon Hess+ Jets believed in drafted high character guys too. How many players with questionable background were taking off the Jets draft boards because they didn't fit the persona of what the organization wanted. How did that work out for Jets. Raiders did win three superbowls taken other teams misfits andv guys with questionable character. This is such a silly arguement because for the every sucessful NEw patriots model(high character guys) you have alot more cases where teams with questionable character/great talent won championships.(Cowboys, Raiders etc) . Yes you can win with high character guys but you better have a great coaching staff. IF Mangini not even close to Bellichik than Jets are in major trouble, as that philosphy will not work IMO. Time will tell.
Yeah I keep forgetting how much more you know about football than the rest of us. He really doesn't know about football at all really. He's more of a bartender anyways.:drunk:
Except they do...in fact they have the best QB in football. The best defensive lineman in football. A decent OL and DL. Good TEs and receivers. Great safeties and a wealth of above average linebackers. Not everyone runs a 4.3 40 though. So they can't be as good as the raiders.
