Do you even watch your home games? Remember last year? The JETS were handed a gift at the hands of Losman, and you want him on your team? The only way the JETS win with JP Losman is if he is the other teams QB....
Sometimes, yes. He's rightfully pissed about his uncertainty over STs thanks to PSL sales, and he's been a huge Clemens fan since 2007 and wants to see him start. That has colored his view a bit, leading to posts lately which are vastly negative and ill informed. He did have a good post earlier in the week, though. Also, while I disagree that we need a veteran backup, I would be neither surprised nor disappointed to see Sanchez at QB #2 on opening day. I do have to agree that although it would appear the CS is hoping Sanchez is ready for opening day, we need to stop taking it for granted that he'll be starting immediately.
Umm, Sanchez's ability to play in a pro game is still a complete unknown -- although statistics over time for other rookies say that he will probably struggle -- and Clemens' potential to not be able to be consistent are already proven. You have just declared as a "give up on the season" thing, a situation that is actually somewhat likely to happen. That doesn't make a lot of sense, if you buy into Ryan's statements that this will be a defense/running focused team. You don't need a great quarterback to carry a team like htat (see: Trent Dilfer), but you do need at least a competent, experienced, consistent game manager to fall back on if the higher risk/reward options don't pan out for the short term.
I get that in general there's a concern about starting rookie Qb's, and there's a possibility Clemens will not step up to the challenge of being ready to start, leaving the team possibly having to start Sanchez more by default than because he is truly ready, but I doubt that. The worst case scenario would actually be an early season injury to either of them, leaving the team too thin at Qb. But that's always a concern. The most likely scenario is that Clemens starts, Sanchez learns, and as the season progresses Clemens either shows he can't be taken out or Sanchez eventually goes in when he's ready.
Thank you for telling me something that is applicable to every single player that is drafted in the NFL. That's the mentality that had the team trading for Favre instead of seeing what we had last season. That and jersey sales, anyway. At some point you have to try to prove your commodities. We spent a 2nd round pick on Clemens, have kept him in the system for going on a 4th season, it's time to see what he is. And if he is not what you need to make it all the way, you have given your 5th overall pick quarterback a season on the bench to learn the speed of the game and possibly some live playing time near the end of the season at worst. I think 'giving up on the season' is an alarmist term when the reality is that you are showing that you have balls enough to try to find and elite young signal caller instead of relying on some proven loser veteran. You're projecting a loser mentality on me when you are in reality the one with that line of thinking.
Who out of the following three has shown (you) to be the most COMPETENT, experienced, CONSISTENT, GAME MANAGER: Trent Green J.P. Losman or Rex Grossman Who of those three do you see as the "savior" of our season (or at least gives you the most appearance that we're not 'giving up on the season') if Clemens goes down?
To go along with this... I recall a phone interview with the Manning brothers a few weeks after Sanchez was drafted on TV where they asked them what was the best way to handle these QB rookies. Peyton said something along the lines of there's only so much you can learn on film. You really get experience and more knowledgeable when you're actually in the game. Film doesn't show you the speed of the game. It doesn't show you how fast a Champ Bailey can close on the ball. But once you get that experience in, you know how to time certain throws. Eli said practically the same thing. The faster he gets in the game, the better you'll get as a QB. And there will be growing pains. Peyton holds the record (I think, not 100% sure) for the most interceptions thrown as a rookie. So, people need to expect that and give our QB room to breathe.
What you say makes total sense, I just hope Sanchez will be ready to be the backup, that was the point. I applaud the Jets for going for it, I just don't want to sit through a year of rookie mistakes, lets hope Clemens steps up and Sanchez sits and learns.
Well I would take Trent Green from that list, talking absolutely, but health issues would make me hesitant. Otherwise, I personally would take Grossman over Losman, assuming price is right (which is a major factor in something like this). There may still be helth issues with Losman, who knows. Well, you could use the whole "ALex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers" lab experiment to come to the opposite conclusion. Don't throw your QB in there before he's ready to benefit from that experience, a little bit at a time, so he won't get eaten alive.
First of all, that bolded sentence doesn't make any sense. His "potential to not be able to be consistent are already proven." Are you saying that Clemens has proven that he is not consistent and that he has no potential to prove otherwise? If so, that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Clemens has only started a handful of games, all of which were in his 2nd season as an NFL QB. Also, the offensive line was horrible and Clemens had some bad luck with his receivers dropping sure TD passes. Even with all this, he managed to keep us in the game in every one of his starts. He was 3-5 as a starter and those 5 losses were all close games that didn't turn out our way. Now, I am not saying that Clemens is a good NFL QB, or that he will ever be, but he certainly hasn't had a fair opportunity to show what he has. Why don't we take your boyfriend's last 8 games as a starter, and look at just those games as his body of work. Many people would think his stats in those 8 games to rank up there with the worst QBs in NFL history. My point is, you can't take Clemens 8 starts and project the rest of his career with that. Clemens "potential to not to be able to be consistent" is not proven. His inconsistency could be attributed to his lack of experience or his poor supporting cast in 2007.
"Clemens' potential to not be able to be consistent are already proven." is grammatically logically equivalent to: "Clemens has shown that he could be inconsistent." In other words, not be capable of being the starter. I'm not saying that he CAN'T end up being a great starter -- he certainly has had time to improve, and appears to have taken good advantage of it. I'm just saying the current read on him, until he comes out and proves otherwise, is that he is not starter material. My understanding was that Pennington had him beat out as of the moment they cut Chad. ANd the fact they traded up to get Sanchez speaks volumes as well about the organization's assessment of his potential. Hope that clears things up. I'm sorry I did not write that in a more clear manner.
Not sure how many Bears games you've watched but Grossman is a lousy game manager and probably worse at being a consistent QB. I wouldn't take any of those QB's and just ride out the rest of the year with Sanchez. Sorry to inform you, but you're gonna have to sit thru a year or two of Sanchez being a rookie QB playing like a rookie. Even if he holds a clipboard for an entire year, he will need to get accustomed to the speed of the game which is something you just can't simulate in practice. I can already tell you're going to be calling for his head whether his 1st interception happens in Week 8 or Week 1 in '09. Get real.
I didn't say I liked him either. I just said that, given the 3 options you asked me to pick from, he would be the most tolerable. Or are you trying to tell me Losman is better? Ohterwise it sounds like you are giving me three options, all of which you think are bad, ask me to pick one, and then come back and tell me that option was bad. Ummm ... what was the point of that? I've already said that on skills alone I would pick Green above them both, but other issues would prevent me.
The point is that there are no good options out there to bring in that will legitimately give the Jets a shot to salvage a season. But I guess to some, all that matters is the appearance that we're not just 'giving up' for the season. I'd rather give Sanchez a shot and let him learn. Who knows, the kid can do two things. Be average, but learns and sets him up to prepare better for next season. Or he could decent, learns quickly, impresses a few of us and wins a few games. He'd still be coming out ahead in the long run because of the experience he's gained. I don't see how that can't possibly be an option.
I understand the point about the need to have playing time, but there are some other considerations that apply as well. Unless Sanchez can show he is the more capable option, clearly better than Clemens, there is some real downside to starting him just to give him playing time. The other players on the team do not see their interests, their desire to win, on the same timeline as Sanchez's. Neither do the fans who turn out on opening day, optimism brimming for a new season. Even the CS, who may well be mindful their long term tenure here may well require Sanchez's successful development (probably will), will not have all that much stomach for losses, mistakes, and fan disenchantment. It's the real world, and the need to get playing time in real games for a rookie Qb is not the only factor in play. Now all that changes if he beats Clemens out fair and square. But I remain doubtful that will happen.
