I also don't understand why the failure of other Qb's from the class of 13 like Manuel to stick made Smith a good value pick. It was a weak Qb draft field. So?
This is true. If the guy ends up being a bad quarterback, who we waste two years with as our unquestioned starer, I don't see the "value" in having picked him, no matter what round he happened to be drafted in.
That play cracked me up when I watched it. It kinda looked like he "dribbled" the football once, luckiest bounce ever. Only the Jets... Geno was the right pick for us in 2013. Sanchez was done, we needed a QB, and this guy fell to us in 2nd round when he was projected to go in the 1st. That's a no-brainer. Quality QBs are so hard to get that you can't think about it in terms of roster quality, or whether it's a weak or strong year. If you have a chance to get one, you gotta go for it. The whole weak/strong year argument is also pretty iffy, because there are too many uncertainties to plan around that. What if some of these college QBs look terribad their senior year, or choose to stay in school? How can you guarantee that your team will end up with a pick high enough to grab one of them? We've had some pretty bad teams that still finished 8-8 or 6-10, and couldn't even sniff true blue chipper QBs in the draft. So if you have a chance at a quality QB, you gotta pull the trigger. Just because Geno isn't so hot right now doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Does Geno not look overwhelmed out there? He's over matched he can't pick up blitzes, he makes erratic throws. Comparison to me is justified. I know he doesn't have all the weapons he needs but at least try and control what you can do on the field. If no one is open run the ball. It's things like this that make me think Geno is completely over his head.
Geno wasn't the right pick. I 100% disagree with everything you said. I would have rather seen Sanchez go one more try then get a QB in 2014. As far as I'm concerned going back to the draft I did not think Geno was a quality prospect. I argued that then and I stand by it now.
No, he was not. Idzik taking Geno in an incredibly weak 2013 draft for QBs effectively blocked us from taking a much better prospect in 2014. There was no way Idzik was going to take a QB in the much stronger 2014 QB class because that would have been admitting to a failed pick. _
That's just hindsight talking. You know now that that by the time we picked in 2014, Bridgewater and Manziel were still available, but obviously the Jets couldn't have known that in 2013. Bridgewater, Manziel and anyone else who might have looked good could've easily been gone by the time the Jets picked . So in 2013, they had a concrete opportunity to take a QB projected to be in the 1st round in the 2nd, and if they didn't, they could've ended up with nothing in 2014. A no-brainer.
Not hindsight. Not in my case. Go look at my posting history. I hated that 2013 class well BEFORE it ever went off--during the 2013 college season I was underwhelmed. Go look at my thoughts on Geno when I saw him play LIVE 3 times in college and probably another 2 dozen times on TV. I was always looking at 2014 as a class that was going to be overstocked with talent at QB and the 2013 class as incredibly weak. _
Oh I didn't mean hindsight with respect to your feelings about Geno. I meant hindsight in terms of knowing how QB picks went down in 2014. My point is you can't predict or count on where picks will go, and QB picks can go fast. Imagine how bad the Jets would've looked if they passed on Geno to get someone in the stronger 2014 draft, but then all those guys would've been picked before our picks. Gotta go with the bird in the hand.
Meh. i certainly felt there was a need to go beyond Sanchez, who was done here, and would have been cut going into 13 if not for that ridiculous contract. But did that circumstance make Smith the right Qb for the Jets? No. The Jets should instead have explored if they could have gotten a vet Qb to hold the fort for the short to medium term, and have that Qb compete in camp to start, up against Sanchez. One suggestion was to trade with Dallas for Kyle Orton, but most of us in this line of thinking thought the Jets should have made a strong attempt to get Nick Foles. Of course the discussion here was clouded by Sanchez Fans who argued that Sanchez was a much better Qb than Orton, and who discounted Foles. There were other Qb possibilities outside of the draft. If such a move were made, the Jets could have gone wideout with that second round pick instead of wasting it on Smith, who was as a second round Qb pick unlikely to be ready that season. And of course he was not. It's not like the Sanchez situation forced the Jets to pick SMith, as you imply. There were other options, and people here talked about them. Too bad Idzik picked Smith instead.
It would have been worth it, especially since I was counting on Mariota coming out. We would have been in the bottom half of the draft (had Sanchez been our starter) and we would have had a shot at what I thought were 3 or 4 or 5 prospects much better in the first round. As it turns out, those guys were available later than I anticipated, Mariota stayed in but Bortles effectively took his spot. It was a gamble I was willing to take given how weak I thought all the QB prospects were in 2013. _
IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT! Several posters here noted that Qb class was poor, and others raised the options of going to a vet Qb. I was here.
At this point a Qb like Carr looks like a much better prospect than SMith does. And it fucking figures that NE got Garrapolo. The Jets would not even have had to drop to Jville's record, to pick Bortles, to get a good Qb prospect. Bridgewater is another one.
If I could sum up my previous post in this thread in one stat: The Jets are averaging 4.7 yards per play on offense, so far this season. This is dead last in the NFL. This stat is great for two reasons: 1) It perfectly encapsulates the reality that we have a really bad offense. (Which, as I wrote earlier, is the worst overall aspect of our team, in my opinion) 2) It highlights a specific overriding flaw in our offense that I strongly believe holds us back: Our lack of a sufficient deep threat at the WR position. We essentially have no big play ability. With a quarterback that struggles mightily to be consistent, it sure would be nice to be able to take yards in big chunks. Chris Johnson was supposed to be our home run threat on offense. . . but that just hasn't panned out.
Fair enough, but I wonder if you would've been just as willing to take that gamble if your job was on the line. For my money, taking a chance on a potential franchise QB >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasting time with some journeyman vet.
For what its worth, JStokes has been against getting Geno since as long as its possible to be against getting Geno lol. He mentioned countless times how many QB's in this class he thought were better than Geno, and it was a lot . Carr or Bridgewater would have definitely been nice. I was on board with Bridgewater at the time, but not anyone else. In retrospect, I would have taken Carr as well. Kudos to JStokes on that call. I think the OL/Geno/Secondary are the worst aspects of this team. All tied for first, lol. I think the OL needs to upgraded in the first or second round (with receiver being the other). Secondary should be addressed in free agency. If Rex goes, maybe they can bring in Quinn and he can bring in Maxwell. QB has to be addressed in both the draft and FA. I'm not a fan of Mariota or Winston, though so QB will be addressed later IMO. Jets need to look at a fundamentally sound QB at the draft(either in the later rounds, or take him in a trade back), and bring one in as a free agent as well. Go into the season with the three of them and have a fair competition where the best player starts. Geno doesnt deserve to go into next season as the incumbent. Jets desperately need a QB who either wont throw INTs, or has the ability to win the game on his own. Either a game manager or a legitmate playmaking QB. Geno is neither, unfortunately.
I'm lifelong fan and STH, been living and dying with this team since 1969. I don't get paid to make those decisions. Ultimately anything I say here is a guess, an educated one, but a guess nonetheless. I need my football people to make better decisions, to see that the 2013 QB class was incredibly weak and anticipate the quality of the 2014 QB class and to make decisions accordingly for the good of the future of MY franchise. _
I don't deserve kudos because in reality I didn't "know" anything, I just guessed right this time. None of us here are experts or have 1/10,000th of the information real football people have. I saw a lot of Geno during college and was not impressed and thought his early 2013 season success was a mirage based upon his competition--when folks were touting him as a likely number 1 pick. I never thought he was but I could have been wrong. Just like some folks thought Nassib might be a first rounder, I scoffed because as much as I appreciated what he did for my alma mater, I did not see him as a quality NFL prospect. I was also on the Teddy Bridgewater bandwagon as early as 2013 because I saw HIM a lot and was much more impressed with his game--thought he'd be the prohibitive favorite number 1 pick in 2014. Was impressed with Manziel in 2013 but wasn't sure when he'd come out and whether his game would translate to the NFL. Nobody knows at this point and anyone who says they do is delusional. When I started seeing Carr play I was incredibly impressed and he quickly became my number 2 favorite. Never heard of Bortles until the last quarter of last year. But I also liked Mettenberger and Murray until injuries derailed their draft stock, I like McCarron as a stronger armed Pennington and I could have sworn Mariota was going to come out. Never heard of Garappolo until the last quarter of last season--what a find he may become. Hell, I even like Tahj Boyd because I saw him a bunch in college and loved his intangibles--so I guessed wrong on that one too. Fales, Mannion (didn't come out), Savage--all guys who I thought would be much stronger candidates than the 2013 class. It's all a guessing game for us fans--I just hated that 2013 class and loved the 2014 class. _
