i think not resigning barton is a mistake. he's very underrated. led the team in tackles (by a wide margin) and played with fire and intensity. sign him before you sign anyone else.
So you want to get rid of our defensive captain and longest tenured Jet, after a solid year and still under a reasonable contract? Any good reason for it?
Yes is getting slow and he can't rush the passer, like he used too. He only flourish when ABE was on the other side.. Holding onto him now after his prime he'll turn to Mo Lewis and Cox as they faded right before they retired.. Trade him before he loses more impact..
ellis can also play both the 3-4 and 4-3 obviously we don't know what we're playing yet, but i don't see any reason to get rid of him he wasn't going to put up huge numbers as a 3-4 de, but he's above average either way
Right but now is the perfect time to let him go.. He is no longer an impact and DE.. I hate to see him go, but no longer makes an impact as a DE..
He had more sacks this year than he's had since 2004, and more tackles than he's had since 2003. This would indicate he has not lost a step, rather he has been revitalized. Sorry, try again.
and replace him with who? he is a leader, and he gets the job done you can't have a young impact player at every position how about we get a decent end on the other side, and if we can upgrade him, we do, but you don't just release one of your most consistent players just for the sake of it
Because Jenkins was playing at hi level that is why his sack numbers were up.. He also disappeared on rushing the passer.. Once Jenkins slowed down Ellis no longer got to the QB.. He made more tackles this year because they ran away from Jenkins.. He is just about done.. He didn't do anything Denver, Tenn, NE, Seatle, and Miami...
You need to trade him, before he age's over night.. To replace him? No clue at the moment.. But his ALL Pro days are over.. You need a DE who strikes fear in the other team.. He doesn't do that.. neither one does..
I won't argue that Jenkins had a part in his resurgence. What does refute that assertion though, is that Kenyon Coleman, the DE on the other side had his numbers go down this year. Jenkins is in the middle of the field, the play always goes away from him. You can't just conveniently skip over SF and Buffalo when making your last point. That's picking and choosing your stats a la carte rather than looking at the overall picture. ----- He may not be the guy we drafted back in 2000, but he is definitely not a guy that should even sniff a cut or trade list. -He is a veteran here, knows the guys around him, and is still playing at a slightly above-average level for an average price. What he may have lost physically, he more than compensates for with his leadership and the continuity he brings to the team. After a complete overhaul, he may very well be the guy in the locker room that the players rally around next year.
He had one sack during the SF game. Alot of his tackles were in run support.. He got lucky in the Buffalo game.. The ball bounced in his lap. He started out awesome but faded when we needed him..You never saw him in the same screen with the QB until the ball was gone.. Coleman is overated.. He wasn't even a starter towards the end of the season..
Dude, you're repeating yourself and failing to address half my points. One sack per game is an all-pro number. Got lucky? He picked up the ball when his teammates couldn't and took it to the house, pretty athletically for a 285 pounder too. The ENTIRE TEAM faded down the stretch. He was part of that, but it is hardly proof of your perceived "decline". You first have to be rated to be overrated.
Yes got lucky.. He wasn't even in the play.. Until he saw the ball.. He was pretty much blocked until the ball came free.. Yes I cheered when he did return it for 6....That was the hi light of his season minus..His arrest. But right now is the prefect time to try to trade him and get something in return before he disappears totaly. You can't hold on to sentimental players until the fade. You have to know when the end is coming close and then move them before your stuck with a over paid under productive player..
Oh okay, I get it, you're afraid of Slow-Mo Syndrome. That makes sense. I am not advocating another contract for him right now...he is only signed through 2010. But for the reasons mentioned above, mainly his veteran leadership and continued above-average play at the DE position for reasonable salary, there is no good reason to cut or trade him this year. The team will need him more than ever with a new regime coming in and a bunch of new faces most likely coming in with them.
Trust me.. I like him as a player and I know what he means to the team.. I can see the writing on the wall. If they keep him I am cool with it too. But you know he is going to want to talk contract, soon.. They all do..
I wouldn't cut him (ellis) but I would not extend him in anyway but would def look for an upgrade on the other side to relieve some of his double teams..I think Pouha did pretty well as a serviceable backup and can learn from Jenkins
...and that is where your argument starts to hold weight. I wouldn't want to extend him until after next year. I fear there's going to be a bunch of Jason Taylors on this team too, but we all know how that one worked out.
