Of course it's not Idzik's fault that Evans got hurt. However what is Idzik's fault is making that draft pick at all. He'll probably never play a meaningful down for the Jets. He wasn't even a star in college which is a telling sign and a possession receiver on top of that. That doesn't translate well at this level. The big board was filled with much better and higher rated WR's than Evans. Add to that McDougle, who was a consensus 5th or 6th rd pick by almost all accounts, that the Jets reached for in the 3rd. Not to mention coming off a major injury just last year. Huge red flag. Those are valuable picks that could've been contributors this year. Idzik and the scouting dept. need to do a better job of evaluating talent prior to the draft as those were two wasted picks.
I think Hill may end up being one of the cuts.Its gonna come down to cutting Hill or Gates .That's why Hill is playing most of game on Thursday I think his days are numbered.We will try to trade him but I don't see it happening.With that said I would still take Hill over Gates.Werd is JoeyClinkscales our top former scout was so high on Hill the Jets would have drafted him in first round if Coples wasn't there good thing this guy works for the Raiders now
Yet again -- another example of potential vs production to be remembered on draft day. Stephen Hill vs Alshon Jeffrey. Ignore the hype and buildup. Stick to the established track record.
Those "accounts" you're talking about are from people who make a living talking, not looking at film. The amount of time they dedicate to watching film compared to a scout in our scouting department is fractional. They are also very susceptible to group think. Besides that, McDougle looked really good and camp and may very well have contributed this year.
It's simply opinion that the Jets reached for McDougle so to state it like it was a fact is a blind assumption. Not to mention prior to the draft McDougle was coming off a shoulder injury. He's not an offensive lineman or a linebacker where there's constant shoulder banging. His injury would've been a lot more alarming if it were a knee or hip given his position.
How many receivers do you think the jets will carry? I'd say probably 6 at most. There are 4 that will absolutely be on the opening day roster (barring injury) - Decker, Kerley, Saunders, Hakim (Rex already announced him as the KR). That leaves Nelson, Hill, Salas, Gates and Enunwa battling for 2 spots. Of those the 2 best so far appear to be Salas & Nelson. Now, maybe the jets aren't ready to give up on Hill - if that's true then Hill gets one of those spots and Salas or Nelson get the other. Even if they decide to carry 7 WRs (which they haven't done during the Rex era) and I think if they do that it would solely be because they aren't yet wiling to give up on Hill, but wan't to keep Salas and Nelson. Barring injury, I can't see how Gates (or Enunwa) makes the roster. What am I missing?
Regardless of what they make their living on they are right so far. McDougle is already injured so that's a strike against him. If he comes back and produces then I'll be glad as maybe he can help the Jets secondary. Yet as of today he's on IR and not helping this team and there were a ton of higher rated guys on the board than him. Furthermore I wouldn't sleep well at night thinking the Jets scouts are doing their job. They completely whiffed on Evans and like I said, he may never even play a meaningful snap for this team. So the criticism is warranted.
Regardless if it was a shoulder or pinky injury the point is he was a reach and if you add a season ending injury less than one year ago then that makes him an extremely big gamble. They could've easily gone a much more conservative route and picked someone else, like Bruce Ellington, who will make an impact for the Niners this year. Can't say the same for McDougle or Evans because they won't even be on the field.
Im sadly starting to think we are gonna half to end up keeping Hill and giving him one last shot,because or depth is awful at the position and There's still a slight chance Hill could still turn it around
you have to separate McDougle and Evans. with McDougle, it doesn't matter if ESPN thought he was a 'reach'. He looked good at this level, was on pace to start this year, and had a lot of future upside. That is good value for a 3rd round pick, regardless of ESPN's big board. The injury had nothing to do with his tape, or his previous injuries. Was just an injury that could've happened to anyone. it's an unfortunate break for the Jets. Evans on the other hand looked more lost than Joe McKnight out there. He showed nothing at all to make me believe he can be a pro. He was not even close to being ready, and the IR was almost a blessing so he doesn't waste a roster spot. If you want to criticize that pick, i think that's valid. But not the McDougle pick.
I have no idea why you think he will never play a meaningful snap, and to think that any WR you take in the 4th round isn't a project on some level is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. And how exactly is McDougle's injury a strike against him?
Brian Costello @BrianCoz Rex talking up Salas. #nyj Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 56s Rex said he really liked Greg Salas coming out of Hawaii. Also praised his ST play. #jets
What's even dumber is you thinking that he will be an impact player for the Jets. You're speaking in generalities that don't apply to the specific situation at hand. I don't think he'll ever play because he's not a very talented prospect. You had several bigger names with much greater production in college than Evans. He wasn't even a star WR at UCLA. Like I said possession receivers in college have a hard time at the next level because they don't possess the talent to play at this level in most cases. That's how I know he won't amount to much in the pros. I've been proven right on many players before when having these arguments on here. I called Stephen Hill a bust in year 1 and I was proven right. I called Gholston a bust before he ever played a snap and was proven right. So I'm not just throwing it out there as some blanket statement. Again, you're not looking at the big picture. McDougle's injury is a strike against him because he's not out on the field playing. Unless you're an established pro bowler or All pro you're always fighting for your job in the NFL. So his lack of participation is a big strike against him. Any time your injured as a rookie or unproven player it's a strike against you because you're not competing for PT. Health or lack thereof is something all scouts take into account when drafting a player. I'm surprised you don't know this if you have any clue about how the scouting process works. Come back this time next year with these posts and you can be another in a long line of posters who told me, "You were right about this guy or that guy." Also just an fyi, the Jets scouting dept. isn't this holier than thou group. They're just like any other occupation. Some are better than others at their job.
I am hardly a Hill fan, but the roster is too thin to see someone else rating higher than him. As long as they keep Salas, it is what it is.
I don't understand this. From what I've seen in the preseason and over the last few years - Salas & Nelson are both significantly better than Hill. Moreover, Geno doesn't trust hill and seems reluctant to throw him the ball. Just because you're thin on talent at a position doesn't mean you keep other players who don't seem to have talent either. Either you believe that Hill could turn it around and become a productive receiver for the jets or you don't (I don't). If you don't believe that he can be a productive receiver (or at least better than Nelson or Salas) then there's no reason at all to keep him, much less keep him over someone who could actually contribute, like Nelson or Salas. It's different with a rookie or first year player who maybe could develop into something. Based on what I've seen from Hill, I don't believe that Hill could develop into a good NFL receiver, so I don't think you keep him because you're thin. Moreover, the jets trying to trade him suggests that they don't believe he'll turn into a good NFL receiver either. I'm also not convinced that the receivers are as thin as you think they are - I think Decker & Kerley are very good veteran receivers and will have success. Nelson is a known quantity who is a good possession receiver. Saunders and Salas have potential and might turn into good receivers with some time. I can't see any reason to keep Hill and waste a roster spot on him.
I don't think this a terrible receiving corp, even if I really don't know a couple of these guys. The first 3 and Salas are all decent, and you've got two TE's to figure into the passing game. Add to the fact this team should be a run first unit, the Offense could be decent this year. If they can do something about the back end of their defense they could contend for a playoff spot. Decker Kerley Nelson Hill Saunders Salas Hakim
The problem is that doing something about the back end will be pretty difficult if they're using 7 roster spots for the WR position. I can't see it. Especially with the way Rex loves to carry so many corners.
