Who was responsible for Freeney coming in unblocked on Sanchez twice today?

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  1. Talisman

    Talisman Active Member

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    I just watched those plays again and I can't see who the "hot read" was on either of them...would have been dangerous throws either way. I'm just glad he didn't fumble either time
     
  2. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    I'm glad his shoulders never came out of their sockets.
     
  3. InRevisWeTrust

    InRevisWeTrust New Member

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    My thoughts exactly
     
  4. Royal Tee

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    -D'Brick
    -Sanchez

    Truth is Shotty called an empty backfield but it's upto the players to execute on it.
    I for one have no issues w/ an empty backfield but they need to seriously work on it.


     
  5. Twombles

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    Can you stop with the 'Cutesy' already?
     
  6. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    The play with the empty backfield, D'Brick was not double teaming. The Colts sent 6, and we had 5 to block it, and Brick chose the inside guy, leaving Freeney free...
     
  7. Royal Tee

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    That is the rule.
    Inside gets priority.

    I have to rewatch both instances...I think the 2nd one Woodhead shot out the backfield and was the hot read but Sanchez, as he often does, tried to read the whole field but it was a 3 step drop that went only 2 steps before he got blasted.

     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The empty backfield blows chunks as a formation. It's supposed to create matchup problems for the defenders in the short passing game but it's really easy to blow up exactly the way the Colts did - by sending a blitzer and causing problems on the QB's blindside.

    If you have a great slot receiver then you can exploit the matchup problems, which is why the Patriots run the empty backfield. The Jets do not have a great slot receiver right now. They don't even have a good one.
     
  9. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    It seems clear that it was Sanchez's job to read the overload on the line and call an appropriate play, but that to me is both besides the point and the entire point. This sort of play is the definition of not protecting a rookie QB and asking him to only be a game manager. Given the situation, both all year and in this game in particular, to call the play once was IMO stupid, and to call it twice was enough of a final straw to fire Schottenheimer after the season is over.
     
  10. Chrisp22

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    Rex stated you block from the inside out so D'brick was carrying out orders. Systematically, D'Brick is definitely expecting something from the QB because he knows there isn't anyone to block Freeney.

    It's gotta be on Sanchez to read it.

    I hope he learned his lesson.
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    So what you're saying is that Schotty and Rex between them conspired to put the rookie into an unpromising situation TWICE in a game the Jets had to win and then Rex threw him under the bus in the post-game news conference?

    Does that kind of sound like what happened?

    I mean I understand that they were protecting D'Brick who made the right call in the circumstances, I just don't understand why Schotty didn't make the right call before that and I really don't understand why Rex didn't just come out and say that. If Sanchez fumbles on either of those sacks, a likely proposition, then the loss is on Sanchez (again) when it really should be on the morons calling the plays.
     
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  12. Jetfanmack

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    Empty backfield was so stupid in the 2nd situation. 3rd and 4. RUN THE DAMN BALL. At least show them that we MIGHT run it. To me, that was 4 down territory at that time. Run the ball and make 4th down easier.
     
  13. Royal Tee

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    While I am uber critical on Shotty at some point you have to say the player didn't execute.

    In cases like that there is a hot read.
    Sanchez is scanning the fukin field and doesn't even read the blitz...that is poor execution.
    He knows it's 5 wide and no protectiion from the RB.
    He needs to read & react but he doesn't ,
    he reads & reads & reads and reads some more....
     
  14. Br4d

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    The first play was 2nd and 9 from the shotgun. There's no way the Jets should have been empty backfield on 2nd and 9. There's no percentage there at all because you've just tipped the fact you're throwing and the pass is likely to be underneath and not get the first down anyway.

    The second play was 3rd and 3 (according to ESPN who might be off in their play by play) and Sanchez was under center with nobody behind him. That's slightly more understandable because any completion is likely to get the first down but it's still a bad call with a rookie QB when the mode du jour is to run the ball. There's no percentage in saying "ok, now we're throwing" and removing the run from consideration before the snap.

    Then we have the wildcat formation several times.

    I think Schotty just does not have what it takes to be a good NFL offensive coordinator. The game is not as complicated as he makes it and the flow of the Jets offense has never been smooth under him for any extended period of time except when Favre told him what plays to run.
     
  15. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    Blaming Sanchez for those two plays is ridiculous. I didn't see a receiver on Freeney's side of the field ready to receive a "hot read" pass. On both plays, which were identical, the receiver on the left side of the field was still running a pattern with his back the QB when Sanchez was sacked. Plus, how long do you think it takes Freeney to run 5 yards untouched to the Qb? It's less than a second. If that is a designed play and it is not a screen pass it is a horrible play and it is the OCs fault for calling it. Calling that play twice is pure stupidity.
     
  16. Royal Tee

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    Woodhead was there out of the backfield....and there were at least 2 receivers on that side.

    If no WR is hot then the play is to Woodhead. He ran right by Freeney and was wide open on the 2nd one


     
  17. Br4d

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    What Rex said was that Sanchez should have switched the play at the line of scrimmage and given himself a receiver on a hot read route, like a quick slant. He's saying that the error in the play was that Sanchez just ran the open backfield play as originally called without reading the fact that he was going to face Freeney unblocked and have nowhere to go with the ball.

    And yes, even if Sanchez did not execute properly by switching out of the original play at the line of scrimmage it was a terrible original call. Just a terrible call. Similar to about thirty other plays Schotty has called this year that had nightmare written all over them.

    He really does not understand what it means to be working with a rookie QB at all. The Jets should have run the ball 40 times a game this year and passed it only 20. That wouldn't have looked sexy on Schotty's resume but the disasters he has caused on offense are going to look pretty bad also in retrospect when a real offensive coordinator comes in here and takes over.

    Ran Chad out of town.

    Couldn't develop Clemens for his life.

    Drove Favre off.

    Having trouble with Sanchez.

    That's a lousy record to try to get a job on.
     
  18. Royal Tee

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    see that, I can agree with.....
    Bottom line is Sanchez didn't execute properly.

    Now if we wanna say Shotty shouldn't be calling that shit anyway then that's a whole nutha argument.
    But, Cutesy is Cutesy


     
  19. Chrisp22

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    Rex said you block inside and give the outside. Said it was a zero blitz. He didn't blame anyone and said it had to be fixed.

    Sanchez said they were both on him in his press conference.

    Nobody's conspiring on anything.

    D'brick blocked inside twice. He is on the cusp of going to the Pro-Bowl and has done a pretty good job vs speed rushers like Freeney. You saying he didn't see Freeney there? I'm sure he did but it wasn't his assignment.

    Sanchez has to get rid of the ball. Plain and simple. Whether to the hot reciever or elsewhere.
     
  20. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The best way for the quarterback to understand the game is to pay a penalty for his own stupidity. The QB has to run the O and see what's going on.

    We ran a very effective O for the most part yesterday, kept the game close and pulled away once their starters were out of the game. It was a great experience for Sanchez to have to make a read and pay a consequence for his failure.

    There is no question he wasn't totally clueless because he did bring the ball in and didn't fumble.
     

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