I think your beginning to get way off topic here. What is being said is that out of the 6 years Herman has been a head coach, not one of his assistants have left the team for a promotion. This comes down to the head coach everytime. You can defend Herman saying they werent his coaches or his players or he got fed a bad deal but that is all bull. Herman was handed a playoff team that was built for the 3-4 and had its future at most positions sitting on the bench. All Herman had to do was evaluate the talent we had and sit the old timers when it was the proper time. He was incapable of doing that. Also, he was the one who hired Cottrell and decided to keep Hackett around. He also was the one who decided to slow down the offense instead of opening it up. Losing key players were Herm's fault as well as Bradways. Herman has never taken the blame for his teams failure that is the problem. He will blame everyone else and have this positive act to keep the team rallied around him. That is because he has no clue of what he is doing. He doesnt know how to run a team what so ever and has shown that in the past few years. Name one of his assistants that has EVER been promoted while Herm was head coach. Also Sutton was one of Groh's guys, so that squasues that one. Youth
I think one of the main things, when evulating a coach for a promotion is where and who taught him. Herm didnt teach his coaches very Well. BTW....Corwin Brown was on staff under Herm and is no D-Corordination at ND.
Yes he was, but he did not recieve an offer for another job until Mangini was coach. You can say Herm taught him or whatever but that is justified when he is no longer one of Herm's assitants. He WAS but didnt recieve an offer until the Jets made the playoffs under Mangini. I am also pretty sure Corwin Brown learned a lot more in 1 year under Mangini then he did in his whole tenure with Herm. Mangini is a much better DB coach then Herm ever was. I also would not to be shocked to see Corwin Brown run a similar defense to what the Jets ran this year compared to what Herman ran in the past years. That alone should tell you which coach really got him to his next job. Youth
He INHERITED most of his CS and most of them were OLDER. Cottrell had a chance to be a HC but blew it in interviews, hackett had no chance and the other guys I mentioned earlier have had success under different HCs. That was not the point of this thread, it was to take a shto at herm for firing a coach b/c the Herm haters see it as Herm not taking responsibility for the team not going deep into the playoffs but every year Coaches make adjustments to their staffs.
Mangini inherited most of his staff as well and the guys he didnt want he let go. Herman wasnt that agressive with it, he hired Cotrell and decided to keep Hackett. Herman was the one who came in and decided to change the defensive scheme that was built for him. He was the one who continuously threw his coaches under the bus. Herman never once put the blame on himself for clock management or kneeling on 3rd down. There are reasons that the Jets didnt advance farther in the playoffs and that is simply on the Head Coaches shoulders. How could you possibly defend that fact and compare that to Mangini not renwing the contracts of two guys. Cottrell only recieved a heac coach offer because he was a minority. Youth
Mangini KEPT a few guys like Sutton, Westhoff, Brown but he didn't inherit anyone. His buddy is the GM and they made those decisions together. Herm was hired and his OC, DC and Sts coach were hired for him. He did not keep Hackett, Hackett wasn't a Jets coach before Herm took over. He has taken the blame, that's just not true. Oooohhhh so it's b/c he is half black that he got the job? Why didn't we hire Maurice Carthon or Cottrell who were all black? That is just so silly. The way you guys judge Herm is not th ay you judge everyone else and it's unfair. When Herm wins in '01 it was b/c of the talent left for him(talent that MISSED postseason 2 straight years) but when BP won w/ a core built up from previous regimes it was all about BP and when mangini gets us to the playoffs w/ a team of mostly inherited players it's b/c of Mangini THEDN when Herm takes KC to the playoffs it's all b/c of players he inherited even though he inherited a less talented roster than KC had in '05 and KC had ONE PO appearance in 9 years and that was 3 years before Herm got there.
it'd be so much easier if just realized that all your base are belong to the absolute ruler. that and herm is a terrible football coach.
OK I admit it Herm is the worst coach in the history of football. The fact that we won a div title and made 3 of 5 postseasons and he's 1 for 1 w/ KC shows the amazing amount of talent that carried him. We had HOF talent at every position which is why we made the playoffs 3 of 5 years and Herm held us back. We had so much talent that 5 coaches walked out on us or declined a chance to coach us(BP, BB, Groh then BP ahd another chance after groh and dom Capers removed himself from consideration) b/c they thought it would be too easy to win w/ such an amazing collection of players. They all wanted challenges. Groh has done an amazing job at UVa that he is rumored to be fired soon, Parcells has ZERO playoff wins since 1998, Capers was already fired from the next job he took. Herm was an embarrassment to the organization, I wish we could have had another Coslet, Carroll or Kotite or maybe even Lou Holtz THEN we would have won Super Bowl's!
Herm took over a playoff team and made the playoffs with them. Hurrah! Go Herm! Did you miss the last 6 years? Dick Curl? Father Time? And still couldn't figure out how to manage the game clock. Herm is basically a male cheerleader. And the personnel decisions are even worse. He should've sat vinny in 2001 and 2002 which was ridiculous. he played mo lewis, and marvin jones far longer than he should have. Brought is some of the worst disgraces to ever wear a jet uniform: aaron beasley, steve white, damien robinson, chester mcglocklon. Training for rookies consisted of riding the bench for 3 years.
A playoff team that MISSED the playoffs the 2 years before Herm got there and a franchise that had made the playoffs ONCE in 9 years. So he's the GM now? and guys like beasley and robinson helped us win a division title, do not forget Parcells left us in cap hell and we had to release alot of guys.
2 great players in be and Chad who have both been injury plagued throughout their careers, an up and down Shaun Ellis and a medicore TE. Thankfully groh was picking in 2000 or we wouldn't have gotten even that much out of those picks.
becht made the running game work? The heart of his D led by Abe who in 5 potential playoff games he missed 3 of them. Chad is great when healthy but his inability to stay helathy has led to a couple of bad seasons. regardless of all that Parcells left us w/ an old, expensive team outside of a couple of draft picks. He did a great job coaching talent that was in place but a terrible job as a GM.
Didn't he leave him Coles and Martin and I know he didn't bring in Chrebet, Lewis, Jones but he did leave them for him to go to the playoffs with.
were you under a rock? it's was widely reported that herm was heavily involved in personnel issues up to the point where he lost the battle after the dewayne robertson fiasco. beasley was basically a pylon on the field. everyone ran by him. and robinson is basically the worst jet to ever wear the uniform.
Curtis w/ a crazy contract and a problem child in Coles. Herm was definitely left some talent but overall we were old and expensive. Sure he had some input but he wasn't making the bulk of the decisions. I blame him for Steve White. Beasley played very well for us the 2nd half of '02 and robinson made some boneheaded decisions but wasn't a bad player. Again, we were in cap hell thanks to BP and we had to make some decisions I know they didn't want to make, they did the best they could w/ what they had to work w/ and we got a division title out of all those "horrible" moves.
