Right. It's as if those suggesting otherwise are saying "Let's handle Smith the same way we handled Sanchez!" As if that worked out so well.
That's exactly what it would be. There should always be competition until it's clear you found your guy at that spot.
I still have not seen anyone say to name GENO as a starter as you keep implying. I see lots of guys in favor of competition. I saw one poster write that taking training time away from Geno could be detrimental. He had a strong point! Your whole point is not to have the Jets name him as the starter. While Geno is still young and raw competition could work to push him to another level. I get the impression that if Geno does well for the next 5 years you will still be skeptical of him regardless of what you are now writing.
re-watch the games and you will see what I am talking about first hand. Did you even watch the games last season? Re -read what you wrote and you will see that you verbally attacked Geno by saying " how bad he was for so long". You wrote that, not anyone else. Look at message #52. You wrote it!
The way I see it, until we are absolutely sure, we should keep bringing in guys to challenge Geno. While he did improve at the end of the season, he still has a way to go. The Jets more than anything need to find THAT guy at QB, regardless if it's Geno, Sanchez, Simms, Shaun Hill, or Matt Schaub. I wouldn't be surprised if we brought in a vet AND drafted a QB early. I can see the argument about taking away reps, but that didn't seem to hurt Russell Wilson and I'm pretty sure they had a 3 way competition that year. More reps are good, but first you need to know he's your guy. With Sanchez we thought he was our guy because he showed flashes of clutch play and playoff capability, but that's a mistake I'd rather not see happen again.
I have no problem with that at all. I just think that we should not take training camp reps away from him and if we do, we can't complain if he is still raw in season. There has to be a balance struck. Bring in a vet and let Geno take most of the reps with the 1's to get his timing down etc. Play Geno first in the pre-season games. He needs all the experience he can get. BILL WALSH always brought in challengers even after he had an established guy. Imagine having Montana and Young on the same team. Using Russell Wilson is not a good example at all. He showed what he had early on and FLYNN was done! Geno needs reps with the ones. That is plain and simple. Yes bring guys in but do not take reps away from Geno unless he shows early in camp that he still does not get it.
By saying you want Geno to not lose reps to other guys that would almost end the idea of a competition in my eyes. I think we should bring someone in and give them equal reps, a legit competition. Not a guy to just "push" Geno so that as long as Geno does a decent job in the preseason he gets the start week 1. If Geno does well next year i'll be happy with him and ready to move forward with him. I don't really understand what your trying to say in regards to me being a skeptic of him. I loved the pick, still do, it was great value. I'm hoping he is the answer for us. I'm saying Geno was bad for the large majority of the year last year. Which he was. Lets go game by game. I watch them all. Tampa week 1- He was fine, not all that good, not all that bad New England week 2- He was bad Buffalo week 3- Played well Tennessee 4- Nightmare Atlanta week 5- Played well Pitt week 6- Terrible New England week 7- He was fine, same as week 1 Bengals week 8- Nightmare New Orleans week 9- The Jets didnt even want him throwing the ball. Buffalo week 11- He was bad Baltimore week 12- He was bad Miami week 13- He was terrible and got benched Oakland week 14- He was fine Carolina week 15- He wasnt all that good but not all that bad either Cleveland week 16- He played well Miami week 17- He played well He played well and did what you really wanna see a QB do in about 4 games, had a couple games where you really can't blame him as the reason they lost just like there are some games where you can't call him the reason they won, and the rest was bad with some really really bad thrown in. I get he didn't have a lot of talent to work with. I never said he did. I'm not blaming him, i'm saying he deserves a shot to be the starter. But I don't want this season to hinge soley on Geno is all i'm saying. And I don't think Simms is much of anything (JMO). When I said he was bad for so long I didn't mean he was bad for 10 straight weeks or anything like that. But from week 8 till week 14 it was downhill, and culminated in him getting benched for the second half of the Dolphins game followed by a couple of days of speculation over who would start next week between him and Simms. They stuck with Geno, he had a decent game in his building against a crap opponent, followed it up with a performance on the road against a very good team that was so so and then played very strongly the final 2 weeks of the season. Message number 52 is me being honest and saying what he was. You can like a guy and be honest ya know. I like Geno, but just because I like him as a player doesn't mean I will turn a blind eye towards his performance. He wasn't all that good last year. This isn't breaking news, its actually kinda pretty well known...
"If #18 goes down, we're fucked anyway - and we don't practice [fucked]." - Tom Moore. And look how that turned out. Colts did get lucky with Andrew Luck - but that does not mean grounding 10-6 team into 2-14 is an acceptable performance under any circumstance. I don't understand why anyone would want to set up a practice rep monopoly for Geno. That is more than counterproductive for this - or ANY - franchise.
Back on point , Matt is not a serviceable back up in this league period. For a rookie, Geno played as well as I hoped he would. No complaints from me.
Your eyes are obviously not professionally trained re NFL personnel. You talk only like a fan. A young guy needs all the reps he can get with the team he will be playing with during the season! Bringing in a vet would allow that to happen as with greater experience he will not need the reps. The #2 very seldom gets many snaps. The #3 even less. But in camp behind closed doors they get to compete against each other. The staff can evaluate them all and know what each is capable. If the vet or QB #3 outplays Geno, they should start! What you conveniently failed to state was that Geno was extremely RAW when he came to the Jets. He never did spend much time under center in college. You also apparently failed or refused to report that GENO had a rookie OG and FB in front of him. He did not spend much training time with his TE or receivers. Yet you excelled at citing GENO's poor games. That is fair enough BUT: how about a raw kid with no understanding of NFL defenses; no real talent supporting him; going 8 and 8 ; beating a team contending for the playoffs and playing at home thus knocking them out of the playoffs! Then I know you wanted to tell us that GENO threw for over 3000 yards with all the previously mention liabilities and was the first rookie QB to rally back from deficits 4 times in his first 7 games. I knew you were dying to tell us all that! It seems to me you really do not care for Geno and perhaps you should just admit it. Any kid QB with no experience under center doing what he did last season would be considered talented except in NYC with some fans. I hope that Geno does well in the upcoming season. I am a Jets fan and not a fan of just one player etc. But I do like to read NON-SLANTED posts based on someone's non- professional opinions to which he is entitled. Say it like it is: GO JETS!
To me, it says he was a kid who used improper judgement. We all use improper judgement at some point in our lives, but people hope fully learn from their mistakes, and move onward and upward. All I know is that Matt Simms, comes from a good pedigree, and displayed a very good arm from what I saw in the limited action I watched from him last year. I am not sold on Geno yet, but I hope with a renewed receiving corp next year, and a year under his belt, that he takes a major step forward to becoming an upper tier NFL QB. If not, the perhaps Matt Simms gets his opportunity to show he has the right stuff despite his being a kid who used improper judgement when he was a kid.
No I meant what I wrote as it applies to you ! You remind me an awful lot of JSTOKES! Completely off the wall and condescending!
Obviously your eyes aren't professionally trained either. Talent is talent. If a guy is good, he will emerge and the coaching staff will notice him. It doesn't matter what "squad" he is playing with. Im not hating on Geno. I understand he had very little talent to work with. I like Geno. I think he has the potential to be good.
He's a professional athlete, that's why. It doesn't matter what these guys look like, they're all getting a ton of head.
I agree with this part of your post. You bring in a vet the vet doesn't need as many reps, so you can focus on giving Geno all the reps he can get.
wrong again. Many times a guy gets buried on the bench and does not get an opportunity to play and show what he has. But when they do well:Ask Kurt Warner. Ask Warren Moon. Glad that you like Geno. But as usual you are missing the point. A guy as raw as Geno needs reps with the 1's to get his timing down . Why give the #3 QB snaps and forget about the alleged #1? Makes little sense. They get snaps in training camp where as you say TALENT will flash. That is why SIMMS is still on the team. Does not mean he should bump the guy reputed to be #1 on the team and take away his reps. If Simms etc shines brightly in training they will get their opportunity to be #1 Ask Russell Wilson.
