I supported Herm early on, but was quite vocal about my hatred towards the end. Recheck your facts. To answer your second question, when we get a starting calibre RT and a big NT. If I knew what year that would be, I would be a betting man, which I am not.
I never even heard of this. You are really losing your mind to take the time to do something like this, and apparently your memory as I am nowhere to be found on that list. Likely reason being I stopped even reading your posts as far back as 2004. Only so many times a guy can slam a brick into their head before he realizes why he has a headache.
Draft position doesn't determine value or talent, so it's a bit unfair to suggest that we have a talented starting 11 based on their draft positions. Looking at their positions, however, can shed light in a different way. Kenyon Coleman, Erik Coleman, and Eric Barton were all 5th rounders. Andre Dyson (2nd) was obviously drafted elsewhere, and Kerry Rhodes was a Day 2 gem. That leaves (assuming Dyson heals fully and supplants Barrett) 6 first day starters on defense. Out of those 6, 5 play within the front 7. This team has demonstrated an unwillingness to part ways with its high defensive choices. Every one of the aforementioned starters is a poor fit for the current 3-4 system. Yes, Vilma has played well this season, but nothing close to his potential in the 4-3. Ellis, Robertson, and Thomas are all still around due to their improved play at the end of Herm's regime, also in the 4-3. Hobson...well, who knows? Sutton deserves a good deal of blame for the failures of this defense, seeing as many of the problems we see each week come down to issues of technique and can be coached to some degree. However, he's also being asked to develop players in roles they don't fit into. Management needs to step up and make a decision. Yes, money was committed to these players. Yes, they contributed to the team in valuable ways in the past. No, they don't fit the current system. The trouble is, it will be difficult for the front office to get solid value on any of these players after 2 years of playing beneath their talent level. Players who clearly did not fit the system that Mangini so strenuously advocates needed to be traded in 2006. The longer the team waits, the more firmly entrenched these players become, and the less likely it is we part ways. On an aside, why do people keep talking about needing a new SS? Kerry Rhodes IS our strong safety. Coleman is the free safety.
Dealing with your aside first, from NFL.com "FS 25 Rhodes, Kerry TCKL 16 SCK 0.0 FF 0 INT 1 New York Jets" Ellis - drafted to play DE in Parcell's 3-4 system Coleman - played 3-4 DE in college, acquired by Parcells for his 3-4 system Robertson - square peg, round hole Robertson is the poor fit, but he's a good player and perhaps should have been dealt for something. Don't get me started on the linebackers. We're not asking them to play baseball. Thomas is a pass rusher and rarely drops back into coverage. Barton should be starting at the other OLB in my opinion. Harris should be starting next to Vilma, and Hobson should be a primary backup/rotation guy. Coleman has been a disappointment since his Sophomore season. Rhodes is struggling, but I think he'll get there. Revis is a stud, and Dyson is a perfect #2 once he's all the way back. Forget the secondary for a second though. We have ONE sack. That is inexcusable for a front 7 with such a high average draft value. No, where you're selected obviously doesn't guarentee you're a pro-bowler, but Ellis has been, and Vilma was DROY. Sutton needs to find a way to get some production out of the front 7. Barrett has lost a step, but he's not as bad as our lack of pressure has been making him look. The DC has to be held accountable for his production. And I'm a little sick of the 3-4 4-3 argument, as Thomas regularly lines up on the LOS. Still just one sack. That is the killer for this D.
Cause GM has a very, very old copy way out of date. You name for sure is on the more updated list it was added after GM received that list he has which is over 1 year ago
So do I understand that you will accept JV 5 yd per tackle or more per gain average because other LBers also have that stat? Is that what you are saying?
So NFL.com made a mistake. Watch where he plays on the field. If you need proof, check any Jets depth chart, including the ones on NFL.com and the Jets' own website, and you'll see Kerry Rhodes lined up as SS. That's what he plays on Sunday, as well. The way he (and, conversely, Erik Coleman) is used shows that. I agree with you about Ellis and Coleman. Ellis should be a better fit, since he was drafted to play that position. It was in the 4-3, however, that he played his best years as a Jet. That's how he earned his contract. Could some of the poor play be due to the poor technique I see taught by this defensive coaching staff? Absolutely. He's certainly not the worst guy on the field. Coleman is a great fit, and like you, I don't understand the criticism of him so far. His job is to be a run stopper, not to put pressure on the QB. Nothing further really needs to be said about Robertson. What's funny is that Thomas should be used purely as a pass rusher right now, but I've actually been more impressed by his coverage skills this season. He's dropped into coverage more often than last year, and has done well. Still, that's not the role I happen to think he should fill. Blame for that may rest on the coaching staff. Vilma is undersized, but has played as well as can be expected. I don't think he fits as well as he did in the 4-3, but he's not a major problem, either. He and Ellis both achieved their success in the 4-3, and are merely average to slightly above average players in the 3-4. It's not where these players line up, but what their roles are in the 3-4 that is making the difference. Like you said, when you've invested so much in your front seven, you need production. It doesn't make sense not to use the players to their strengths or to trade them for players who fit into your system.
Interesting. Coleman played SS in 2005, and I am 90% sure he played SS with Rhodes at FS last season. Eric Smith was drafted to play SS. If you check Wikipedia, he played FS in college his last 2 years, and FS with the Jets in 2005 and 2006. Perhaps they moved him this offseason to allow him more of a leadership role, and to give him more chances to cover TE's? The only glaring problem is Robertson's role in this defense. Put a talented 350 pounder there and this defense would be great. Until we get that guy, Sutton needs to work with what we have. Maybe Thomas should just put his hand down more often than not and go 4-3. DL - Thomas, Coleman, Robertson, Ellis LB - Barton, Vilma, Hobson DB - Revis, Rhodes, Coleman, Dyson Harris becomes the odd man out to some extent. He's a true 3-4 run stuffing ILB. However, I think this change would not be that hard to pull off. Thomas is just taking 5 steps forward and putting his hand down, and Vilma is now free to swarm to the ball rather than have a specific gap assignment. I honestly don't think our pass rush could be any worse, or our run stopping more anemic on 2nd and 3rd down.
I don't want to keep going back and forth on this, but Rhodes played SS in college and in the pros. Found an article from 2005 which mentions both: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/sports/football/06jets.html To be perfectly honest, I only cared because there were several people a few weeks ago talking about Kerry as the FS and I never understood why. Move him to FS and you lose the ability to stick him up in the box and rush the passer, which has been glaringly absent this season I remember Erik Coleman when he took over for Lamont Thompson at FS at Washington State (I knew the SS who played with Lamont). Couldn't agree more. I've been so confused by the lack of pressure from Bryan Thomas. Sure he switched sides, and Hobson can't rush for shit, but I decided to rewind/watch him a bit more last week and he dropped back in coverage more often than he attempted to rush the QB. Sure, his pass coverage has improved over last year, but that's a ridiculous waste. It always makes me laugh when people on a message board get it better than the man who gets paid the bucks to make the defense work.
Yeah, the strongside linebacker has more responsibilities in coverage than the weakside guy. The tightend is a shared responsibility of the two linebackers on that side and the strong safety. I've noticed that Barrett of all people seems to draw the tightend release duties an unusual amount of the time. It's possible that these are just crossing patterns from right to left and that the Jets expect the right cornerback to pick these up 10 yards downfield.
The running guess is 'Super Light Weight', concerning knowledge of football and the Jets. Whatever it is, I hope I have more interesting things to do with my time when I reach his age.
No, you don't understand shit apparently. What I am saying, is that his average was very favorable to A LOT of LB's. It wasn't tops in the league, but it was pretty high up there. I also find it hilarious that you now keep increasing this so-called average. Here's a hint for you...if you say something over and over again, it doesn't make it true. If you can't quote the guy's stats accurately, then stop trying. You're such a SSLW.
