Not to mention Brady would have probably still have played eventually... The D-rob move was a complete failure because that 2003 draft was filled with lots of talent..imagine if we had gotten with our 2 1st rounders Asomugha/Troy P or Dallas Clark?
ya gotta make that kick..ok, nick keading/doug brien..you gotta make that NEXT kick.. 1. Johnny Lam Gholston 2. Jolley (that chump Raider TE that we woefully overpaid for) 3. Doug Brien hoobash, respectfully, Brien missing the 1st one...it happens. Heinz field was noted at the time (new turf) a shaky platform for kickers..and the "FG-numbers-vs-overall-league-average" bore that out. But that doesn't get that gag-artist off the hook imho. We'd have been better off having Linda "conquer-the-gag-reflex' Lovelace nailing that 2nd attempt in Pittsburgh. Meaning that Doug got a 2nd chance. THAT is where an NFL (getting-paid) kicker's got to deliver the goods. And that day, Heinz Field 'whatever' notwithstanding, DISTANCE was NOT an issue....especially not the SECOND one. This wasn't one shot at a 45 yarder in 10 degree Meadowlands-type wind...this involved TWO CHANCES from "very makeable" distance. Can we say "choke?" ... as in Heimlich maneuver? Put simply: nowadays an overall .650 FG PCT. average would have you cut in a heartbeat. That day a simple .500 would've had the Jets walking outta Pittsburgh with a VERY deserved playoff win. That said, back on topic: 1. Johnny Lam Gholston 2. That stupid Jolley (Raider 'soft' TE) trade 3. ....Gulp....gag.. choke...Doug Brien & Herm "Kotite" (put simply: Pat Leahy wouldn't have bricked TWO-in-a-row). that day in pittsburgh: damn, even after brien bricked the 1st one..... when i saw marion barber running 'round right end for 6-8 yards to put the Jets into VERY MAKEABLE FG POSITION, i thought "ok, NOW this sucker's in the bag" ..... along with my upstate Bills friends whom I was watching the game with at the time....(they hated the 'llers). But when Brien bricked that 2nd one.....the writing was on the wall. And that's why that little shit is on my list. (not a hall-oates fan, but for the sake of doug brien): Hall & Oates: "That's why that shit ---at Pitt -- is on my list, That's why that shit -- HIS KICK -- it fuckin' missed Because that shit's, fuckin' kick....it fucking ended up WIDE!..."
I'm just chiming in now but, here are a few- Parcells trading Hugh Douglas for a second round pick, which he used to select Dorian Boose. Neil O'Donnell, period. Letting Aaron Glenn go in the expansion draft, I loved that guy. lol I'm just recalling some more recent ones, so I have to throw hiring Kotite in there too. Kyle Brady was a pretty much a bust, 9th pick in the draft- what a waste. Of course the Ghost, but who knows he still could surprise us all.
So what??? If it works out better with Favre and the team does some damage in the playoffs, but ends up with Favre's patented playoff implosion, then the Jets become the current Vikings, with no future QB on the roster, with the all-time attention whore prima donna holding the Jets hostage in the offseason with the indecision about playing next year or not, and no ability to plan for the future. The improvement in the the team in 2008 over 2007 was not Favre, but the OL and the defense. Pennington won more games with an inferior Miami team. That tells you all you need to know. Plus, I can't stand the guy. I couldn't stand him before he put on a Jets uniform and can't stand him more now that he did and crapped all over it. It was a horrible football decision and resulted in a lost season. It made it hard to root for the Jets because I wanted Favre ( and Mangini) out of here as fast as possible as soon as the picks started coming and the awful cautious coaching and placating of Favre by Mangini started. Again , the silver lining was the regime change.
D-rob, by far. horrible that pick set back the defense for years. it's too early to say gholston. and even then, he still wouldn't be as bad as d-rob. We needed an impact player than and traded away another pick to get him. at least with gholston we had a pretty stacked team already and any contribution from him is going to be supplemental
I know we wouldnt have sancheezy, but didnt favre kinda live by what REX preaches? having fun and all that shit..I think if mangini wasnt such a stiffo things coulda went diffrent, but now I also hate favre so fuck him
Trading up for Dewayne Robertson OR trading our 1st round pick for Doug Jolley + a 2nd and using our two 2nd's on Justin Miller and Mike Nugent.
Hands down, THAT is one of the worst football decisions I've ever seen and it BLOWS AWAY GHOLTSON... Why: 1) The GM admitted he wanted to "make a splash" after public and media perception was that the Skins fleeced them 2) TWO PICK TWO PICKS... They used two 1st round picks, As I said that day, If you do such a thing, you better be willing to sacrifice your first born and stake it that this is going to be one of the best player ever. 3) That draft was loaded with players at that position - All you needed to do was sit back and take whatever one fell to you 4) Dewayne WHO??????? It's one thing to fall in love with a guy that looks great at the combine, it's another to use TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS 5) Gholston on the other hand was a concensus 1st round pick well before the college season was half way through... Almost every single board had him in the top 10 for months. 6) If you are going to use a high pick on a DT - The money DT is the Brick Wall Run stopper - that is never what Dewayne was sold as - He was an overachieving penetrator - The kind you step in shit and find in round 7. 7) Again, So we're comparing a concensus top 10 pick for the prior year in a draft with few pass rushers, a potential money position pass rusher drafted with ONE draft pick to a guy who came out of nowhere in a draft stacked with DT's who needed TWO 1st round draft picks... ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME - THERE IS NO COMPARISION.
In order to be a top back you need to stay relatively healthy. You can use the injury excuse but basically as his carries went up in a season his effectiveness went down. Yeah he was hurt in Oakland when he had his chance to be the feature back but he also had career highs in carries but his YPC was way down. 1500 all purpse yards is a nice stat but he averaged 3.8 YPC running the football. In 3 years(35 games) w/ oak, mostly as the feature back he averaged 3.8 YPC. Lamont was a good backup, nothing more. Favre held us back most of that season and his awful play down the stretch killed our div title hopes. if we kept Chad we easily win the div in 2008. I think alot of folks wanted Ed reed. I agree on DRob, the scheme changed killed him AND Vilma. At least Robertson gave us one high level season though and started for us for years. Gholston has done nothing in 2 years. he still has a chance to change that but so far there's no doubt Gholston is a much bigger bust and it's not close. I hated the decision to take the knee but he Brien did miss by inches from 47 moments earlier. if he kicks it the exact same way he makes the 43 yarder. We were a 4-12 team b/c Chad was hurt, b/c Clemens stunk, b/c the Ol was one of the worst in the league, b/c the D sucked,... We fixed alot of those holes going into '08, if we had decent QB play we win the division. That may have delayed the dynasty but it wasn't stopping it. There were alreayd rumblings about Belichick's job and rumblings of Brady starting soon. It's really one pick as we got a 1st rd pick back.
i agree, but even if favre took us to the playoffs, he stll would have fanagoled his way to the vikings.
are you all gonna disagree that favre was playing great untill he got hurt? he made they pro bowl w/us, because they stupidly do the final pro bowl voting after week 12, which at that time he was lighting it up, 6 td's vs. the cardinals, and the back to back road wins vs. the two best afc teams, which had us at 8-3, then he and jenkins got hurt. no waaaaaaaaaaaaay chad ever throws 6 td's in one game, and no waaaaaay does he beat the patriots, and titans on the road in consecitive weeks. say what you want about favre, call him a premadonna e.c.t, but dont be stupid and say he sucked for us, e.c.t. if he doesnt get hurt we win the division, nobody can argue that. and please remember we were 4-12 before he got here, 4-12 w/the SAME EXCACT TEAM. sometimes i wonder if most members here on tgg are teenages, or in there early 20's, cause some of this stuff you guys write sounds like something my 15 year old cousin would say.
we were not even close to the same team as the year before. we added faneca jenkins pace and woody...i do agree that he played a major role and was awesome before he got hurt, but we were not the same team as the year before..
Personally - I agree with Mike Westoff... Westoff said Favre is the reason he rushed back from his injury.... Westoff said he would sign up in a second to get Favre to stay another year. The things we didn't see and the things that were exagerated to be bad - favre was damn good behind the scense..... The Spin away from the Jets made Favre out to be a bad team mate - Yet, Guys like Cotchery said it was the best year he's ever had and the most fun - The Owner and the coaches all enjoyed the experience. Team was on a roll and IMO, the Coaching, especially on defense was the blame and Mangini was sent packing... No way Rex Ryan allows all those marginal QB's to pick his defense apart... I LOVED Brett Favre in NY - had a blast and I definitely gained respect fro Brett Farvre.. That one year was a BLAST.
