Jones would have made twice as much as Tomlinson this year and the Jets knew that Jones was a product of the system and was no threat in the passing game. Faneca basically destroys the passing game and the Jets couldn't risk having him get Sanchez killed. The Jets moves this off season were to try and become a stronger passing team with more of a 50/50 pass/run balance. They now have 2 passing threats out of the backfield and they can actually force teams to cover the backs on passing downs. I think the first two rounds of the 2005 draft were the worst decisions of the last 10 years. Trading down 20 spots for Doug Jolley and then drafting a kicker and a cornerback that were both horrible. Normally when you trade back 20 spots from the 1st to 2nd round you get back a first the following year. The Jets essentially took the value of a first round pick and put it towards Doug Jolley. The Jets had the 47th and 57th picks in the draft and should have also had Oaklands 2006 first round pick. They could have taken Vincent Jackson and Justin Tuck in 2005 and 2006 they could have used the pick to take Ngata or Cutler or any other number of really good players. I will now kill myself. Thank god Tannenbaum took over control of the decision making.
Jones would not have made twice as much as LT and I guess he has been a product of multiple systems as he has had success in his last 3 stops. We were doing just fine w/ faneca in pass protection. he has always been a great run blocker and average at best pass protector. You can argue who we took in 2005 but the trade itself was a good one. We liked Miller and Nugent, we trdaed down and still got both players plus other picks one of which we used to move up to get rhodes who was once one of the top safeties in the game.
Replacing Tom Tupa with Rick Mirer. One win during the first 3 weeks of the Achilles Last Stand Season and we're 9-7, taking the 6th seed from the Fish on a tiebreaker and Ray Lucas' momentum the last 4 weeks of the regular season continues through the postseason. Woulda Coulda Shoulda been THE New York sports story to close out the decade.
Jones was due a $3 million roster bonus and a $2.8 million salary in 2010. Jones signed a two year deal worth $5 million with the Chiefs. Tomlinson signed a 2 year contract for 5.1 million. Did Jones want to resign with the Jets after they cut him? Maybe if no one else offered him a contract. Bottom line is that it would have cost 5.8 million for one more year of Jones versus the 1.9 million cost for Tomlinson. Which one would you rather have? Faneca, like you said was always average at best as a pass blocker. Now he's on the down side of his career and he is a liability in the passing game. You always prefer to get rid of a guy one year early then one year late. He did a greab job stabilizing the left guard position with the two young guys but you can't just have a left guard thats getting beat all day with a rookie qb. You really agree with one of the worse draft trades ever? Are Miller, Jolley and Nugent even employed in the NFL today? Do you realize we traded down 24 picks and only got Jolley and a few late round picks?
Lots of good candidates out there (Jolley, Robertson, etc). But for me, the biggest mistake happened in 2000. We let Belichick quit. The reason he quit? Because we kept Parcells around, who in turn left a year later. Had we just pushed Parcells out the door after the '99 season (instead of letting him do the whole GM thing for 1 year), we would have had Belichick as our coach. We had decent success in the last decade (5 playoff appearances in 10 years, 1 AFC championship game), but it pales in comparison to what could have been. The hated Pats don't become a dynasty, but a doormat, we become a juggernaut and lots of other things change. Think about the consequences... No Al Groh era, no Herm Edwards, no Terry Bradway. No trading up for Robertson or a first for Jolley and Nugent. With the 3 first rounders in 2000, Belichick probably remakes the team very differently. But then again, we probably have the Spygate scandal on our hands. To me, that's the biggest mistake, even if I hate Belichick.
he was willing to come back after we cut him. It wouldn't have been a huge difference and at worst even if we give him the bonus it doesn't affect our cap. This could have been his last year- again I I'm fine w/ LT but we could have kept Jones. I'm w/ you on getting rid of a guy one year too early but I would have preferred to know we had his replacement in place rather than hope Ducasse can do the job. The trade itself was a steal for us. The execution of the picks was bad but the trade itself was fine as we got the 2 guys we were thinking about taking in rd 1 anyway and we got more picks one of which led to Kerry Rhodes. I know everyone hates him now but he was a good player for us for a few years. This all revolves around whether we would have gotten Brady or not. If we are the ones who Brady w/ Belichick we have a dynasty, if not I don't think we win a SB w/ Belichick. W/o Brady Belichick is a DC somewhere right now.
Has TJ said that he would have came back? If they both offered the same amount of money I would think he would have stayed. I believe that Callahan was confident that Slauson could play left guard. I still think Slauson should be playing left guard and Vlad should be playing right tackle in 2011 when Woody gets cut. It will be much easier to keep Brick and Mangold if they have Vlad and Slauson starting making next to nothing. I supposed if they wanted Miller and Nugent that badly then it's not a bad trade at the time. But like I said the trade from a value stand point is a disaster. I care about the value of trading from 26 to 47 and what the Jets should have gotten. Based on the points system and including the two 6th round picks and the 1 7th round picks, the Jets valued Doug Jolley as a late 2nd round or early 3rd round pick. Usually you get the teams pick the following year with a 1 round increase based on the time value of the pick. So instead of getting a 1st or 2nd the following season the Jets got Doug Jolley. You do agree that the trade was bad, but that they got their targets. The goal of that trade was to get a kicker and a tight end to fill immediate needs. They never should have targeted a kicker in the first two rounds and Jolley was probably worth a 5th round pick at best.
I agree, I think Ducasse will take over for Woody at RT. I think the trade itself was fine but the execution of the picks was not. When we look back we haven't had too many horrible decisions, we have been a good franchise basically since Parcells turned us aroud in 1997. We haven't won it all YET but the last 10 years sure beats the previous 10 years.
Agreed. I'd be curious if someone would do a comparison of the talent level on the team in 2005 versus the talent level right now and what a great job that Tannenbaum/Bradway/Clinkscales/Cohen have done. Anyone that thinks this team is built for one year is mistaken.
They are mistaken as long as we can keep all the talent on the team- Other then that, this time is setup very well for years to come. I wish they just got rid of the damn cap, we could buy such great teams!!
As long as we can keep the core four, Rex and Sanchez we should be competitive going forward. Cromatie, Holmes and Braylon will probably not return unless one of them doesn't want to break the bank.
I agree, if Sanchez turns out to be who most of us think he will, then we should be fine. Not saying he's the next Peyton but that's what makes Peyton great. If we can pop in any NFL caliber receiver and Mark can make them look good, we are in good shape.
Exactly. Once your team gets to a certain talent level you can start holding onto your draft picks and just taking the bpa that fits your scheme. Rex seems to find an undrafted player every year that helps to balance out the cap. Hopefully if the Jets are consistently good they won't have any more top 10 picks where they have to give an unproven player $50 million dollars. I'm hoping in the future that they stop trading away draft picks for guys on the verge of their 2nd big contract.
