Wonderful job hodling the leads Jeff...But whattya expect? Today and tomorrow will be minor league pitchers going against Boston in Fenway...So I can take some solace in the weekend's losses, but not for yesterday, none at all...That was about as bad a loss you could have. Wang comes back this week...Moose can't come back any quicker.
Yanks fans, I'd chill out. It's only April, you got a ton of injuries. Come August, you'll be right there as usual in the thick of things. Sure we just won a couple, but you'll win 'em back down the road.
Yeah, I am. We also have hitters patient enough to wait out walks and he throws a ton of balls. He could be gone by the 4th. Of course we could also be fooled out of our spikes too. Should be fun to watch.
I agree. Conditioning coaches have nothing to do with that. Jeter got fat all on his own. Arod came into camp 20-25 poinds lighter then he was last year and the results speak for themselves.
Ar some point they were going to go to Rivera, I think the blame game is very silly for that game b/c they won the game beating our best pitcher. yep it's all Joe's fault, he gave up 3 runs to oakland last Sunday, he blew a 3 run lead Fri Night and he gave up 7 runs yesterday. Joe has klled us for years, it has been Joe that has forced guys like ARod to play so horribly in october. I am gald we foundthe real problem, now we can get rid of him and get a real Manager like a Stump Merrill or Bucky Dent THEN we'll win Championships again So he pinch ran for Giambi trying to get another run, so what? We were up 6-2 at tht point and he wanted more. He knew he was going to mariano if it got tight in the 8th and 95% of the tim going to Mariano means a W. All the second guessing would be meaningles if Mariano did what he always does. Now you are complaining about how he uses Mariano? Have you watched the Yankees play at all since mariano became the closer 10 years ago? The only game of the 3 game series where we had an even or slight edge in the SP was Fri Night, Joe knew it and wanted to get tht game which is why he made some of the late game decisions. it didn't work, we didn't lose b/c of Joe's decisions we lost b/c we didn't execute on the field. In every game there are moves that an be criticized depending upon the result of the game but the bottom line is Boston beat our best, wheneve mariano blowsa svae or loses a game I can never complain b/c I know we had our best out there. At that point you aren't expecting Giambi to get up again and you are tring to squeeze out another run. and if we do come out 4 back, who cares? it's April. Boston jumps out to a lead very year. We will be healthy soon, we've done a good job to stay close and looking at these 3 games I thought we'd be lucky to get 1 so nothing has shocked me other than Mariano and nothing should be shokcing to any Yakee fans. We have played well the last 2 days but Boston has ben better. We play these guys 15 more times after tonight, the seaon is very long.
Umm. . . excuse me. . . yes, excuse me. . . not to butt-in here, but you'll want to redo the math on that one there. I'd hate for you to repeat this in public again, and have everyone look at you quizzically.
Please don't base your thoughts on the teams he has faced prior to tonight. He averages close to 40 balls out of every 100 pitches he throws. Against a patient team he will give up a lot of walks.
Well, let's see, he didn't give up a lot of walks playing for Seibu; didn't give up a lot of walks pitching in the WBC; and hasn't given up a lot of walks in his first three games. His WHIP hovers around 1.10, and that's just below his career average. So, I'm wondering where you're getting this notion that he, "throws a lot of balls," and might "give up a lot of walks." He may, and he could, but he hasn't ever before, so this was just yanked right out of thin air.
Well, since you want to talk about Seibu, in his first three years he gave up 87,95 and 117 walks in an average 26 starts. I consider that high but maybe you don't. He did do much better after that with his worst year being 63. Nothing is pulled out of the air here. We'll see tonight. This is the first good lineup he has faced.
This is a joke, right? A gag? 1999-2001??!!! You're going back EIGHT years to prove a point?!! Pull the pitching stats for this brief season. Daisuke is throwing balls at no greater rate than any other pitcher thus far. Halladay, Meche, Oswalt, Sabathia - all throwing balls at around the same rate as Matsuzaka. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that your point was way off base so that we can both move on?
I have to say, after the last couple days, I think Matsuzaka is going to have a very good day against our hitters. While the top of the lineup is still showing the standard of patience we expect, except maybe Abreu, the entire bottom of the lineup is swinging at anything that isn't 3 feet outside. If Matsui was back today, rather than tomorrow, I'd be a lot more comfortable going into this game. Instead, Melky will still be swinging at ball one. Is Damon playing today? I don't think I can stomach seeing Thompson again. ----------------- Junc, why are you still defending Joe against me? It's not like I had an ARod epiphany and started saying Joe was a good manager again. I haven't approved of Torre since we lost to Arizona. I'm not going to change my mind now. It's not like his poor decision making is improving either. You're right in terms of the players not executing. That's factual, as evidenced by the number in the loss column. But can you truly expect to win a game when Thompson is hitting instead of Giambi, and Phelps is on deck when he strikes out looking to end the game? You can throw all the blame on Mo for Friday night you want, but I see it like this: The guy had a rough outing 5 days earlier. In that outing, he was pitching on little work. So for two consecutive appearances, he was pitching on a lot of rest. Rivera has ALWAYS needed to pitch 4-5 times a week to have his stuff on. This is not new information. And considering Joe has been there for his entire career, it should not come as a surprise. So we had Mo pitching on little rest, early in the year when he's most vulnerable, to one of the best teams in the league. And you don't put any blame on Torre? Really? How about yanking Proctor? Or only letting Myers pitch to Ortiz? And even if you want to fully blame Mo for Friday's loss, how do you justify pitching David Ortiz inside EVERY time he comes to the plate? Yesterday made me absolutely sick. Papi comes up with a chance to put the Sox in the driver's seat, and the pitch calls are for inside fastballs. Are you kidding me?!?! This is DAVID ORTIZ. This is not an average MLB hitter. This is the best power hitter in the sport. It's not like he hasn't proven REPEATEDLY to the Yankees that he can handle inside pitches. He does it every damn time we face him. And that's even accepting that Joe has never heard the old baseball adage that "if you're going to miss, don't miss inside." That ball he ripped yesterday missed inside. That pitch was meant to come in knee-high, and tight inside. It met his bat right over the middle of the plate. But I'm sure you'll blame poor execution for that. Come on junc, it's time to be realistic here. Yes, the players on the field need to execute, and the excuse mill is only valid to a point. However, when multiple poor decisions are made during the course of a game, and these mistake-laden games become more than a once-a-month issue, it's time to start looking at the source. Joe is poor manager for this team. You can accept that or not, as you like, but when you are constantly fighting an uphill battle to prove his innocence, it has to become apparent that there is merit to the argument against him.
So you approved of him prior to 2001? That's convenient, when we win 4 titles in 5 years you approve but once we stop winning title you don't and how exactly did Joe blow the 2001 WS? I have to go, I'll pick this up tomorrow.
Ok..I'll admit it(for now). I'm still convinced, however, that he won't fair at all well against a good lineup. Like tonight. Again, we'll see.
I'll let him speak for himself, but what he is probably saying is he put up with him then. That's my feeling anyway. I have never liked his favorite player attitude. Playing people "he trusts" regardless of whether or not they were playing like total crap. If he had his way, Bernie Williams would be here playing center field and batting .128. I don't like he coddles Rivera even though Rivera wants to pitch more. I don't like he coddles Posada saying he can't catch a day game after a night game. Fine if you are playing KC but he'll even do it in the plaoffs. Posada isn't asking for that either. They both make 10 million a year to play. This isn't football, it's baseball. I could go on but why bother.
